How many tax increases will ‘fix’ California?

Nov. 5, 2012

By Katy Grimes

There are 230 bond, tax and fee increase proposals on the 2012 ballot in California. Gov. Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30 tax increase measure is the least of voters’ problems this election.

There are 100 school bond measures on the ballot throughout California. There are more than 30 sales tax increase initiatives, business tax increases, parcel taxes, utility taxes, and hotel taxes. There are even tax increase measures for sodas and abandoned-cars.

How many tax increases will “fix” California?

The answer is easy. None.

What’s really wrong California?

Local governments would have everyone in the state believe that they are struggling to make ends meet. But they grossly misuse the word “struggle.” The only downsizing done in local government has been to cut the lower paid employees who probably weren’t eligible for pensions anyway.

In Sacramento, the City Council is pushing hard to pass several ballot initiatives:

Measure Q: Sacramento City Unified School District;

Measure R: Sacramento City Unified School District;

Measure T: Sacramento (City of) Mandates on Garden and Yard Refuse Disposal;

Measure U: Sacramento (City of) Sales Tax Increase.

Measure Q would authorize a $346 million school bond. Measure R would authorize a $68 million school bond.

This is just what we don’t need in the corrupted Sacramento City Unified School District. The politicians who call themselves “school board members” who run Sacramento’s city schools want to borrow another $346 million to build new schools, while they still owe $556 million on past construction.

It’s business as usual in Sacramento.

Measure U would add a one-half cent sales tax on the sale of everything in Sacramento for six years.

Eye on Sacramento, a Sacramento area watchdog group, has been fighting the tax increase and trying to keep city residents informed. “City Hall wants to increase the sales tax a half cent, to 8.25 cents, the highest in the region, taking $27 million annually from the local economy for six years,” Eye on Sacramento recently wrote. “With a 460,000 population, that’s $352 annually per resident, or $1,408 for a family of four.”

“Measure U supporters argue city services are underfunded, including police and fire.  But 85 percent of the city’s general fund already goes to these departments, with much of that siphoned off in pensions,” the watchdog group reported.

Sacramento does not have many fires, but we still have stunning, new and large fire stations, and four fire fighters on every engine. The majority of the 9-1-1 calls are for medical emergencies.

Eye on Sacramento pointed out that, while city cops refuse to contribute to their own generous pensions, “CHP officers contribute 12 percent of salaries for lesser retirements. Without pension concessions from police, any extra sales tax revenues will only encourage further pension stonewalling.”

Sacramento city government is rife with corruption as well:

* A Utilities Department manager was taking kickbacks from a scrap metals dealer;

* The city council recently approved a 25 percent increase in garbage pickup rates, higher than any other city in Sacramento County. The council did this without a competitive bid process, despite the contract being worth more than $22 million;

* The Sacramento city council recently whisked through the approval of a new four-year labor contract with the local Plumbers and Pipefitters union;

* And, adding insult to injury, the council increased sewer and water rates by a huge 16 percent and 10 percent.

“Local governments and school districts across California, struggling to pay for essentials, are asking voters to approve tax and bond measures,” the Los Angeles Times recently wrote.

While the state has stripped local governments of funds, there was an unholy deal between local and state government to push through tax increase measures in cities and counties all across the state to make up the difference.

But nothing has been done about the unaffordable and escalating pension costs in cities, counties and state agencies.

Instead, schools have stopped spending in the classrooms, forcing teachers and families to provide supplies. And essential school programs have been cut.

Cities have cut back necessary services while increasing rates. In Sacramento, Measure T proposes to end the historic and necessary curbside pickup of yard and tree waste and instead force residents of the “City of Trees” to try and stuff mountains of garden waste in a 96 gallon can. The city has tried to force this change on three separate ballots, and each time voters have rejected it.

How many tax increases will “fix” what ails us?

California is a mess. Tax increases will not fix anything, but will prolong the corruption that seeps from the top down.

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  1. Douglas
    Douglas 5 November, 2012, 12:26

    My property tax decreased by over a thousand dollars since 2008.

    My neighbor’s dropped by twice that, since he bought at the top of the market.

    Of course, when I pay $1,000 less in property tax, I send $250 more to the federal government because my deductions are lower. California’s loss is federal governments gain.

    According to a recent Modesto Bee article, Stanislaus County’s total assessed value has fallen $9.5 billion (22%) since the peak in 2008.

    NOT TO WORRY, THOUGH !!

    In the same article:

    “Less money in property taxes will not directly affect schools, which are guaranteed minimum funding by the state.”

    How about a compromise? Yes on 30, then in the next legislative session, begin immediately to completely retool California taxes. Start from scratch.

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  2. wool-comber Leclerc
    wool-comber Leclerc 5 November, 2012, 12:35

    “The experiment with economic freedom, Pius XI wrote, must end, and economic life must again be subjected to planning and government.” – Pius XI, Quadragesimo Anno, 1931, p. 66.

    Another quote for the beast worshipers.

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  3. Fred Mangels
    Fred Mangels 5 November, 2012, 13:26

    Douglas wrote, “How about a compromise? Yes on 30, then in the next legislative session, begin immediately to completely retool California taxes..

    That would never happen if Prop 30 passes. The Governor and legislature have shown no desire to do anything regarding taxes except raise them. They’ve shown little, if any, sense of fiscal responsibility despite the state’s dire fiscal straits. They even went so far as to fund the start of high speed rail with billions of dollars we don’t have.

    The only way the legislature might consider “retooling” California taxes- and I emphasize “might”- is if Prop 30 fails. Then they’ll know they have to get serious about getting the state’s financial affairs in order.

    Voting for Prop 30 would be akin to patting the Governor and legislature on the back for a job poorly done and asking for more of them same.

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  4. Chief661
    Chief661 5 November, 2012, 15:04

    It’s just a shame the state can’t really go bust and the unions be forced to renegotiate the pensions to what the rest of us have to live on in retirement. If we can retire at all.
    There will be no compromise on any level. CA and the local governments are broke but addicted to spending money they do not have. Jerry Brown ushered in the fiscal nightmare this state has become many years ago when allowed collective bargaining in the public sector. Where will it end?

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  5. Douglas
    Douglas 5 November, 2012, 15:34

    Michael Genest. Arnold’s chief financial officer, quoted in April, 2011:

    “As a Republican, I kinda hate to say it but our tax burden is less now because of recession. The amount of the economy going to state government is lower than it has been for several years. Except for right at the bottom of the recession, you go back 30 years to find tax revenues at this low a level. So, there is a case to be made that we might need to keep those taxes at a higher level for a while.”

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  6. Bob
    Bob 5 November, 2012, 15:49

    I can remember when the sales tax was under 6 percent.

    The reality is that no matter how much the government is allowed to steal it will never be enough.

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  7. barb
    barb 5 November, 2012, 16:37

    Amen Bob!

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  8. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 5 November, 2012, 17:43

    William Jennings Bryan and Woodrow Wilson did ya in…..get over it….not Bush’s fault!

    Prop 30 will pass…history says so-

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  9. Bill - San Jose
    Bill - San Jose 5 November, 2012, 17:46

    I think it will take three tax hikes to fix California.

    Prop 30

    Prop 23 – 2018 will pay for the High speed rail to go to Shasta County and thus permit people in that beautiful area to see Palmdale on a weekend retreat kinda thing.

    Prop 23 – 2022 will ask voters to okay a tax to bailout our ailing schools which the lottery and Prop 30 were unable to fix the first time because of greedy corporations not paying enough and it is unfair that they can be here making money and hiring people and building stuff and things and expect to make a profit.

    Three.

    That should be enough to collapse us once and for all. =)

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  10. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 5 November, 2012, 17:52

    Bill….Affable Buzzard not that dumb…..he has plans…his legacy is to trump Daddy…..get your chunky wallet out!

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  11. CalWatchdog
    CalWatchdog 5 November, 2012, 17:55

    My property taxes went up significantly on both residential property and commercial property. Sacramento pulled a really sneaky trick — they reassessed the properties to reflect the lower value (only after we appealed), but increased all of the assessments. The bill is much higher than last year.

    Katy

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  12. SkippingDog
    SkippingDog 5 November, 2012, 17:57

    Interesting that we found out today that the Koch brothers and Rove are behind the $11 million in “dark money” that has been illegally laundered to oppose proposition 30 and support proposition 32. Would any of those people be involved in funding CWD or Human Events?

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  13. SkippingDog
    SkippingDog 5 November, 2012, 18:05

    Let’s see…. CWD is an organ of the “Pacific Research Institute”, which is itself a media organ for the “Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity.” The Franklin Center was created by the “Sam Adams Alliance” with funding from the “State Policy Network” which, it so happens receives a large amount of funding from – wait for it — Charles Koch of “Koch brothers” infamy.

    Funny how the money web for this nonsense so frequently traces directly back to one or both of the Koch brothers, whose father, by the way, was a founder of the John Birch Society.

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  14. Fred Mangels
    Fred Mangels 5 November, 2012, 18:08

    I’ll never understand the obsession with the Kochs. I’ve never heard those complaining about issues, specifically, just that it’s the Kochs or some “Right Wing” thing.

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  15. Bob
    Bob 5 November, 2012, 18:29

    This is for the SkippingDog, Douglas and any other canines out there….

    In Colliefornia we have a 9.3% mariginal income tax rate that kicks in at about $48k. We have the highest state sales tax of any state. We have very high taxes on gasoline and other fuel. Even with Prop 13 propert taxes ain’t cheap. In short, Colliefornia (as Ahnode calls it) residents are some of the highest taxed residents in the country and we live with a higher unemployment rate than the rest of the country.

    Did it ever occur to you that maybe the taxpayers of Colliefornia are just taxed out? That regardless of how small any proposed tax increases are the taxpayers of Colliefornia will say no because they are already taxed too much?

    And if high taxes and DemoNcrat control are the answers why does Colliefornia have a higher unemployment rate than the rest of the country?

    The fact is we can no longer afford the big government you love. We have reached peak government and there WILL be a government devolution and there is nothing you can do to stop it because economics eventually trumps politics.

    http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/78988/anticipating-devolution-big-government

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  16. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 November, 2012, 18:55

    How about a compromise? Yes on 30, then in the next legislative session, begin immediately to completely retool California taxes. Start from scratch.

    I have a BETTER IDEA- NO on 30 and in the next legislative session begin immediately to completely retool California pensions, bloated salaires and then taxes. Start from scratch. 🙂

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  17. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 5 November, 2012, 18:55

    Skipping Dog– you are correct and let’s not forget– the Lincoln Club gave us Citizens United which will be (irony) Romney’s downfall in a few hours! Repub circular firing squad indeed.

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  18. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 5 November, 2012, 18:58

    and remember — the Lincoln Club gave us Citizens United (irony) which may be Romneia’s downfall in a few hours!

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  19. NTHEOC
    NTHEOC 5 November, 2012, 19:01

    The Arizona-based “Americans for Responsible Leadership” today admitted to being the intermediary for groups directly linked to the billionaire Koch Brothers in making the largest contribution ever disclosed as campaign money laundering in California history!!!If Californians needed any more reason to vote NO on Prop 32 and YES on Prop 30 consider this, supporters of a ballot measure that claims to ‘stop special interest money’ have admitted to the extremely serious crime of campaign money laundering.In spite of the Prop 32 supporters’ relentless attempts to hide behind multiple legal roadblocks until after Election Day, we now know that once again, secretive super PACs directly tied to the Koch Brothers are behind a deceptive ballot measure masquerading as ‘campaign reform.’ And we know that the so-called ‘Small Business Action Committee’ is in truth funded by anyone but mom-and-pop small businesses and has accepted $11 million in laundered campaign contributions. Californians can have the final say in rejecting such fraudulent activities by billionaires and corporate special interests who will go so far as conspiring to commit a crime in trying to rig election outcomes in our state. Vote NO on Proposition 32.” And YES on Prop 30″”

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  20. Douglas
    Douglas 5 November, 2012, 19:08

    Thanks for the link, Bob.

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  21. Douglas
    Douglas 5 November, 2012, 19:13

    Leave my salaires alone!

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  22. Queeg
    Queeg 5 November, 2012, 20:13

    Well. In spite of it all Prop 30 solves about 60% of our money problems. What comes next?

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  23. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 November, 2012, 20:33

    Prop 30 doesnt solve ANY of our problems!!!! Teddy stop spinning, and get that Prozac out!

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  24. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 November, 2012, 22:29

    Teddy and seesaw are goiung to be a wreck tomorrow 😉

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  25. Queeg
    Queeg 5 November, 2012, 23:10

    Prop 30 is a given……now on to the tax on doomers….

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  26. BobA
    BobA 5 November, 2012, 23:25

    No amount of tax increases will fix California even when there’s no one left with an income to tax. The stark truth that everyone refuses to see or hear is that California can’t be fixed and no amount of taxation will fix what is broken beyond repair.

    Many Californians dare not even speak the truth for fear of being ridiculed by those who foolishly believe that the next tax increase, and the next, and the next, and the next will solve our state’s problems.

    Our state has reached a point where it can no longer lie to itself about its financial situation and what it portends and must be allowed to suffer the full consequences of poor governance, excessive regulations, profligate spending, corrupt politicians and a citizenry that wants all their needs provided for by the government at little to no cost to them.

    Only after the state goes bankrupt and suffers through a period of financial austerity, political upheaval and turmoil can the state begin to pull its chestnuts out of the fire and resurrect itself.

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  27. Hondo
    Hondo 6 November, 2012, 06:35

    Once again, there is no more money left to steal. Kalifornia is taxed out as shown by the huge tax increase in 2009 which lead to huge deficits in 20011. Or by the huge tax increase in Illinois last year that lead to more deficits this year and finally even demoncrat Rhambo complained about the pensions.
    As shown by both Illinois and Kalifornia, raising taxes does not raise more revenue or balance any budget.
    There is simply no more money left to steal.
    Hondo……

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  28. Douglas
    Douglas 6 November, 2012, 07:11

    “Correlation does not imply causation”

    There were a lot of factors other than tax increases which affected budgets in Illinois and California.

    Too simplistic.

    The effects of the Laffer curve are greatly misunderstood and exaggerated by both sides.

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  29. Web Site Exposing Measures Q and R in Sacramento
    Web Site Exposing Measures Q and R in Sacramento 6 November, 2012, 07:39

    There’s a comprehensive web site for the campaign against Measures Q and R, which authorize the school board of the Sacramento City Unified School District to borrow another $414 million by selling bonds. It is http://www.fairandopencompetitionsacramento.com

    Did you know that Sac City Unified has $522 million in debt from the last two bond measures approved by voters? Did you know that the estimated total cost of Measures Q and R is $734 million when interest is included? Did you know that student attendance at SCUSD has dropped from 53,450 to 41,598 in ten years, a drop of 22%?

    Of course you didn’t! Vote YES, for the kids!

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  30. wool-comber Leclerc
    wool-comber Leclerc 6 November, 2012, 07:53

    Ruin will not come until religious liberty is taken away and our county goes into apostasy like the “old” world of the dark ages. That will be the trigger. Until then “evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.” But the “greatness” of our nation and state is based on it’s civil and religious liberty which genders us divine protection.

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  31. CalWatchdog
    CalWatchdog 6 November, 2012, 07:55

    Right… it’s always ‘for the kids.’ Declining population, increasing bond debt, the Sac City school board should be jailed.

    Katy

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  32. Bill - San Jose
    Bill - San Jose 6 November, 2012, 08:11

    I met Mr. Greenhut at a meeting in NoCal back in 2010.

    During the back and forth with the group, the only thing that stuck with me was his voice and actions when he brought up education.

    He became very elevated when he spoke about what we could do to effect our local areas.

    Go to school board meetings and voice ourselves. Watch what really goes on at these meetings and witness the strong-arm efforts by the SEIU and teachers’ unions.

    He, as is always the case, is right. Take control of your local government and watch how quickly this state turns around. =)

    Thanks Steve. You are right. And thanks to those of you who contribute here and also realize that the save the children fund is really the save the communists/unions/corruption fund.

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  33. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 08:48

    There were a lot of factors other than tax increases which affected budgets in Illinois and California.

    99.99998% of the budget problems are OVER COMPENSATION of the public employee workforce. They are making 10 times what they would in the private sector.

    THAT IS the problem.

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  34. Thomas Molitor
    Thomas Molitor 6 November, 2012, 09:20

    Skipping Dog, or should I say, Straw Man:

    What does how CWD is funded have to do with Ms. Grimes well-researched column on current tax legislation?

    If you spent equal time researching the taxation legislation Ms. Grimes has listed that you have researching the origins of CWD funding perhaps you would be able to address the merits of her argument rather than erect Straw Men.

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  35. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 10:14

    Skipping Dog, or should I say, Straw Man:
    What does how CWD is funded have to do with Ms. Grimes well-researched column on current tax legislation?
    If you spent equal time researching the taxation legislation Ms. Grimes has listed that you have researching the origins of CWD funding perhaps you would be able to address the merits of her argument rather than erect Straw Men.

    hahahahhahaa…..another troughie destroyed!

    Wait until 9 PM tonight 🙂

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  36. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 10:59

    @Thomas: How any candidate or entity is funded is everything! Where do you think people like the Koch Bros. begin. They start locally and work their way up, putting every little point they can, into the minds of the gullible. They have been at work trying to destr0y the middle class of CA, with their secret funding against Prop.30 and for Prop. 32. When they finish that job, their takeover of CA and heading it toward becoming a Right-to-Work, Red state is just beginning.

    In my own So. CA District, Bloomberg has just poured 3.2 million dollars, in the final week of the campaign, into one ad for one, respective, congressional candidate. The candidate does not even know Bloomberg and did not know that she was going to be the beneficiary of such largess, to help her remove her incumbent opponent.

    If you don’t want to be marching to the orders of the billionaire Koch Bros., billionaire Munger siblings, et al, in the next few years, get wise! We need to get rid of the super-pacs! You could take a few lessons from SD.

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  37. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 11:22

    Correct posting error: The amount was 2.3 million dollars–not 3.2

    What is going to happen at 9:00 p.m. tonight, Rex? I know that I will not get everything I want. There will be some wins, and there will be some losses. I will stay up until probably 2:00 a.m., and when I get up tomorrow morning, I will go on with life. Hope you will be able to do the same.

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  38. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 12:10

    What is going to happen at 9:00 p.m. tonight, Rex?

    The polls will be closed and you will be crying in your beer mug 😉

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  39. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 12:38

    Must be what you do Rex. I don’t drink beer–will probably be eating my yogurt and cherries.

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  40. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 13:09

    seesaw;

    And at 9PM you’re going TO need a 12-pack to forget your troubles 😉

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  41. BobA
    BobA 6 November, 2012, 13:32

    SeeSaw:

    You’re right. We’ll just all dance to George Soros tune. He is the puppet master behind the democrats. Of course, there’s no problem with tat: he’s a democrat and democrat billionaires are ok, right?

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  42. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 14:11

    I know nothing about what Soros has been funding. Why don’t you elaborate?

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  43. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 14:55

    I know nothing about what Soros has been funding. Why don’t you elaborate?
    ===
    LOL;

    GEORGE SOROS has been a prominent international supporter of democratic ideals and causes for more than 30 years…………
    http://www.georgesoros.com/

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  44. Douglas
    Douglas 6 November, 2012, 15:11

    http://www.bundle.com/article/how-move-canada-if-your-candidate-doesnt-win-election/?frommsn=true

    I guess this works if your proposition doesn’t win too. You can move away from commie-geddon. 

    You can become a Canadian citizen by marrying a Canadian. Same sex-OK. 

    No pets.

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  45. Thomas Molitor
    Thomas Molitor 6 November, 2012, 15:21

    See Saw,
    Please reread my post. I never mentioned a candidate or a political party preference. I simply pointed out that Ms. Grimes is analyzing tax policies and their effectiveness and that instead of Mr. Skipping Dog addressing the theme of her column he created a straw man to discredit her on an entirely different thread subject – CWD funding.

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  46. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 17:38

    Author says, “But nothing has been done about the unaffordable and escalating pension costs in cities, counties and state agencies.”

    Much has been done and is continuing to be . My City started setting up second tiers seven years ago and this year, after Redevelopment was abolished, laid off 12 employees, (not part-timers who were not in line for pensions anyway, as the author says on another article.) They were supervisors, 20-year-plus full timers, and the Fire Chief! The State just enacted a pension reform bill–not exactly, “nothing”. Don’t wait for pensions to be abolished entirely. That is not going to happen.

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  47. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 19:06

    Much has been done and is continuing to be . My City started setting up second tiers seven years ago and this year, after Redevelopment was abolished, laid off 12 employees, (not part-timers who were not in line for pensions anyway, as the author says on another article.) They were supervisors, 20-year-plus full timers, and the Fire Chief! The State just enacted a pension reform bill–not exactly, “nothing”. Don’t wait for pensions to be abolished entirely. That is not going to happen.

    peanuts….like trying to use a coffee can to bail waer on the titanic.

    Ohhhh…….I say about another 2 hours and seesaw is going to have a teddy steals type meltdown when 30 gets destroyed 😉

    Hope 32 passes too, but 30 is the main issue in CA today.

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  48. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 19:09

    See Saw,
    Please reread my post. I never mentioned a candidate or a political party preference. I simply pointed out that Ms. Grimes is analyzing tax policies and their effectiveness and that instead of Mr. Skipping Dog addressing the theme of her column he created a straw man to discredit her on an entirely different thread subject – CWD funding.

    seesaw has her partisan blinders on 24/7/365, she is incapable of seeing two sides of an issue- only the trough feeder side, and then tries to spin the truth to back up her unbackable side 😉

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  49. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 20:15

    Obama just won Ohio….Game over…4 more years for Obama.

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  50. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 20:22

    Poor, poor dog–he so needs to get a life!

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  51. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 6 November, 2012, 20:58

    As I called it– THE most important race of the night!!!!!! We did it!!!!!!!!!! We reelected one of the greatest Presidents of our time!

    and

    Looks like Poodle may actually be headed for a prop 30 victory and FINALLY after all of these years of his bad predictions….a win!

    Poodle may soon be————- yes————-wait for it—– 1 for 14 ™!

    Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  52. Bob
    Bob 6 November, 2012, 21:32

    Yup, old Teddy, Borat Obammie won big tonight, no doubt about it.

    The poor old Romulan just couldn’t keep up, and he was assimilated by Borg Obama.

    So ya got your wish, old Teddy.

    You got what you want and as the old Chinese saying goes, “Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.”

    And now you’re gonna get it good and hard, Teddy.

    We are all gonna get it good and hard.

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  53. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 6 November, 2012, 21:49

    Relax Bob– take a deep breathe— it will be ok………With any luck— last the last 30 months we will see continued private sector job growth, no war, and lowered unemployment—–mmmmmmmmmmmm——–relax……

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  54. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 21:51

    Teddy, 30 is LOSING lil buddy!!!!!!!!!

    You are gonna meltdonw so hard when 30 fails that I truly worry about your mental well being 😉 ……, and you will be 0-15!!!!!!

    While my unbroken string of victories goes to 209-0 😉

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  55. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 21:51

    Why do I ALWAYS have to be right???????
    😉

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  56. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 21:52

    If I oculd just be wrong ONCE you would almost make me human 😉

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  57. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 6 November, 2012, 22:07

    Poodle– You must have missed my post! Above yours! I congratulated you like I told you I would!

    Congrats– looks like you will win! You’ll be 1 for 14 ™ ! Enjoy!

    But still no comment on the 3 times you lost the cops pension roll back cases? mmmm

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  58. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 22:29

    Early Returns Show Prop 30 Tax Hike Measure Failing

    Gov. Jerry Brown’s plan to temporarily raise taxes on well-off Californians was trailing considerably in early returns Tuesday night.

    The plan, which would increase income taxes for residents making more than $250,000 per year and increase the sales tax, won just 47 percent of about 3 million votes that had been counted by about 8:45 p.m.

    🙂 ~~~~

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  59. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 23:34

    Don’t take any sharp objects to bed with you tonight Rex! You might wake up in the morning and find out things were not as you thought they would be. You don’t want to hurt yourself.

    The Mungers and the Koch Bros. and Bloomberg can take their dirty money somewhere else–we don’t want their dirty money in our elections!

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  60. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 23:36

    LOL…if 30 fails I am dying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  61. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 November, 2012, 23:44

    San Francisco County is kiling me on Prop 30;

    Yes 192,727 76.8%
    No 58,247 23.2%

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  62. Queeg
    Queeg 6 November, 2012, 23:46

    Pfop 30 three percent ahead….Poodle a discredited partisan with a soon empty Walmart purse!

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  63. Queeg
    Queeg 6 November, 2012, 23:47

    Poorer Poodle!

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  64. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 6 November, 2012, 23:49

    Rex, if you have food in the house, you will be ok. Everything else is secondary.

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  65. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 7 November, 2012, 00:23

    OK, if Rex the Wonder Dog! does not post here tomorrow please check the obit pages of the local paper, Rex may not be able to go on, this Prop 30 situation is causing Rex so much brain damage it is possible Rex won’t pull through…..Rex will miss all of you. Especially Teddy. And seesaw 🙂

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  66. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 7 November, 2012, 01:04

    Which pet cemetary shall we look for you in?

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  67. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 7 November, 2012, 06:02

    LOL– I went to bed early–Dewy beats Truman!

    Poor Poodle

    0 for 14 ™ !

    and still no comment on his other famous losses like the pension rollback cases. It is astonishing to see a person (or poodle) so consistently incorrect. God Bless the little troll!

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  68. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 7 November, 2012, 06:05

    And ya gotta love Prop 32! The people of California still support the US Constitution and the freedom of association!

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  69. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 7 November, 2012, 07:32

    I hope John and Ken and Tim Conway Jr. have many recipes on how to cook up all that crow! Maybe the Mungers will invite them to dinner.

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  70. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 7 November, 2012, 08:05

    Rex is very sick this morning…………………… pray for him 🙁

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  71. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 7 November, 2012, 09:02

    Up and out, Rex. Its a beautiful day for Californians and dogs. Sun is shining–air is fresh. Californians came to their senses yesterday.

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  72. ted
    ted 7 November, 2012, 11:41

    The Poodle-

    God Bless him

    0 for 14 ™!

    On another note— did dem’s win enough state seats for super majorities in both houses in Sacto??

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  73. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 7 November, 2012, 12:02

    Prop 32 did much better than 30, what the heck was going on???……..I am still sick tho 🙁

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  74. NTHEOC
    NTHEOC 7 November, 2012, 16:29

    Rex the Wonder Dog! says:
    Prop 32 did much better than 30, what the heck was going on???……..I am still sick tho
    ============
    I’m sure there is a VET close by to you. I would feel bad for you rex, but you do tend to bring it on yourself!!

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  75. RT
    RT 7 November, 2012, 16:52

    California is tax addicted, and its people are addicted to Government Services. California will not hear the calls for it to get itself right. Like all addicts, they do not see they have a problem. California’s tax addiction has been ignored for too long. Now California is about to OD and the government is crying out for a new source of taxes for its addiction. However, the fact is that no matter how much of our taxes are coming in to the government, it will never be enough. They are addicted! I will miss California. Too bad that no one was willing to force it into rehab. Moreover, as California goes so goes the nation.

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  76. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 7 November, 2012, 19:10

    Bologna! There are 38 million inhabitants in CA. Tax-addicted my foot! Such a group needs services, unless you want the people to live like they were all on their own in Alaska.

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  77. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 8 November, 2012, 08:05

    Such a group needs services, …
    ==
    Not at $200K per yer for janitors and other no skill jobs, no one needs “services” at that cost, the only ones get serviced are the troughers.

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  78. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 8 November, 2012, 11:05

    Find a rank and file janitor in the CA public sector, making $200k/yr. and name him/her and the entity where he/she is employed. Put up or shut up!

    Getting your ass kicked didn’t even humble you!

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  79. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 8 November, 2012, 12:28

    🙂 ….Just go to the LA DWP and every janitor there makes $200K in total comp, as do the car mechanics and parking lot attendants….check it out.

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  80. Queeg
    Queeg 8 November, 2012, 15:29

    Poodle get over it….get a government job, if you could qualify….

    All of you got hammered so bad….stop whining….you deserved it….we tried to tell you to roll over and join us….

    California will be great again soon now that we have doomers and gloomers on the side of the bullet train track….

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  81. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 8 November, 2012, 16:05

    Another response from Rex that is no answer–no proof–just made up stuff.

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  82. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 8 November, 2012, 16:52

    Truth hurts, LADWP Janitor, mechanic, parking lot attendant= $200K in total comp 😉

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  83. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 8 November, 2012, 17:50

    0 for 14 ™!

    LMAO

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  84. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 8 November, 2012, 23:26

    That hurts Teddy 🙁

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  85. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 9 November, 2012, 06:55

    I bet it does hurt poodle—- your ego is so huge, your spirit and intellect so dull and your confidence so high that failures like you repeat do hurt. You, once again did a loooong drum roll on the 10 meter board before diving into an empty pool. You live it the hard way little buddy. Sad.

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