Fullerton police chief doesn’t think verdict vindicated lethal cop
In the aftermath of the Kelly Thomas verdict, it’s been depressing to read the comment sections of Cal Watchdog, blogs, news sites and newspapers.
A lot of oddly gleeful folks treat the verdict as evidence that police did the right thing the night Thomas suffered fatal injuries while being remorselessly tortured by men with badges.
That’s absurd. The frail, mentally ill homeless man wouldn’t be dead if a cop didn’t openly declare he was going to “f—” Thomas up and then follow through on his threat. If the officers had a shred of humanity, Thomas would be alive.
I’m glad to see the L.A. Times report that at least one person in Fullerton understands this:
“Fullerton’s chief of police said he would fight an appeal from one of the officers acquitted in the death of Kelly Thomas to get his job back.
“Jay Cicinelli was fired after being charged by Orange County prosecutors with involuntary manslaughter and excessive force in the 2011 death of the mentally ill homeless man.
“His co-defendant Manuel Ramos, also a former Fullerton police officer, was charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter.
“On Monday a Santa Ana jury found both of them not guilty of all charges.
“Dan Hughes, Fullerton chief of police, said in a statement that his decision to fire Cicinelli is separate and unaffected by the acquittal.”
“’Former Police Officer Jay Cicinelli has alleged that he was wrongfully terminated and has demanded his job back,’ Hughes said. ‘I stand behind the employment decisions I have made.'”
2011 killing produced shameful reaction from many
Why do I express satisfaction that “at least one person in Fullerton” understands what happened to Thomas was horrible?
Because of Steve Greenhut’s U-T San Diego column, which points out that many in Fullerton didn’t get this at all.
“…in July 2011, the Fullerton political establishment rushed to the defense of officers who had beaten a 130-pound homeless schizophrenic named Kelly Thomas. The public saw the published photo of Thomas’ horribly swollen and bruised face, yet the mayor went on TV saying he had seen worse injuries in the Vietnam War and that it was unclear what killed Thomas, who died in a hospital days after the whomping.
“We also learned that police officers confiscated the video camera of a bystander and were allowed to watch the surveillance video of the incident and essentially get their stories straight before giving their statements.”
This is pathetic. As Steve points out, it is also not surprising.
“This one-time idealist wants to believe that in a free society the rulers are held to the same standards as the ruled, that the public wouldn’t stand for the kind of official brutality that takes place in unfree nations and that juries would punish killers even if they wear a uniform.
“Yet over years of writing about policing issues, it’s hard to remain hopeful. No matter how egregious the incident — police gunning down a troubled teen in an empty park, shooting a fleeing suspect in the back, or planting evidence in a car trunk — there’s rarely any punishment.”
Take it away, commenters. Explain to us once again how Kelly Thomas got what he had coming.
Sheesh.
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Well– the verdict did vindicate the cops of the murder. But as to a critique of the policies followed, well, that may be a different issue. I am certain the cops will get a ton of due process thanks to the Peace Officers Bill of Rights.
Sure Chaz Steals, they were vindicated in the same manner as OJ!
The Peace Officers Bill of Rights is the refuge of liars, killers, and thieves. The only words that the cops should live by are the same words the rest of us live by!! 🙂
LOL Ok little buddy!
Wheres the Back Peddler? Chris, your “Kelly Thomas had it coming taunt” should work up the troops??? Beep beep beep mon back—–Don’t you kids get up early on Saturdays????
Does anyone have any idea what this means? Any idea at all?
Tedhead, have a slurp of Drone-Aid and try to make some sense.
LOL Someone will have to explain this to Dysphoric….
Acquitting the officers of murder/manslaughter charges is far different from concluding their actions were consistent with their training and the policies of FPD, particularly given the high standard of proof necessary for a criminal conviction.
A far lower standard of proof is necessary to uphold a civil/administrative decision to terminate their employment as police officers. The “Law of Bad Outcomes” will always have more severe consequences for actions resulting in undesirable outcomes, such as an in-custody death, than for more inconsequential acts.
I trust my own eyes and my own ears over any established government system that convenes after the fact and tries to convince me that my own eyes and my own ears are lying to me. Sorry. I was taught as a young boy by my parents and by some very special teachers to always trust my own eyes and my own ears. And I will follow that advice to the grave.
The beating video and audio, the hamburger-face photo, the testimony of the physicians who actually treated Kelly as he was fighting for his life, the fact that Kelly was unarmed, the fact that Kelly was a malnourished 135 pound schizophrenic, the negative results from the tox tests, the attempted coverups by Fullerton PD right after the incident, the testimony by one of the magic blue costume boys at the trial that the judge tossed out after personnel files were uncovered and examined…… I could go on and on.
Six cops (some who must have weighed nearly 300 pounds) were unable to restrain and take into custody a skinny unfit schizophrenic whose arms looked like toothpicks without literally busting up his face and putting him into a comatose state? I’m sorry. That’s just not believable. And that’s not emotion or my heart talking. That belief is based on pure solid logic and reason. No emotion whatsoever.
It’s a very dicey matter when good law-abiding citizens began to distrust the justice system. I read the comments at various media sites too, Chris. The people you referenced that supported the verdicts and Kelly’s beating were outnumbered 20 to 1. Most commenters were utterly disgusted and questioned the competence and integrity of our judicial system. That’s not good. Not good at all. Nothing upsets good decent people more than when 2 completely sets of standards exist: One for the common people and one for the king’s men. And the risk for horrific unintended consquences are increased enormously when people sense injustice. Think back to 1992.
As citizens each and every one of us were born with certain guaranteed inalienable rights. Those are rights that cannot be taken or given away. The right to live without getting brutally beaten to death by a half dozen vicious cops when you committed no crime and were minding your own business is one of those rights. Kelly’s rights were horrendously violated by those who are sworn to respect and protect those rights. And the violators escaped justice.
A very sad day in California and America.
Well written LIC!! By the way LIC, is the information available on the make-up of the jury in terms of employment? 🙂
Cut it out, Skippy Dog.
Consider this. Imagine if 6 strong male athletes actually witnessed some slightly built crook snatch a woman’s purse and run away. They caught him and took him to the ground. They began to beat him relentlessly so that his face resembled Kelly’s on his death bed. It was all caught on video. The man was heard by witnesses screaming for help and complaining he couldn’t breathe while the 6 men continued to pound him into a comatose state. The tox tests came back negative. The treating physicians testified the man died from a lack of oxygen to the brain and that he experienced internal bleeding due to massive facial and jaw fractures.
Don’t tell me that ALL 6 of those citizens involved in that man’s death wouldn’t get charged and convicted of crimes ranging from manslaughter to murder. And that would be AFTER the man actually committed a crime.
Kelly committed no crime. He was a pedestrian minding his own business when contacted by the cops.
The double-standard and the LOWER standard enjoyed by the cops is very apparent.
Stop trying to convince us otherwise.
“Yet over years of writing about policing issues, it’s hard to remain hopeful. No matter how egregious the incident — police gunning down a troubled teen in an empty park, shooting a fleeing suspect in the back, or planting evidence in a car trunk — there’s rarely any punishment.”
We live in a police state within a police state. It’s just a fact. Not only is the Federal government a Fascist monster, but most state and local governments are just carbon copies of the Fed’s when it comes to respecting our rights. The U.S. Constitution exists only to the extent that The Oligarchs allow it to. At every level of government they violate it with impunity and the Kelly Thomas case is proof, as if we needed any more.
Although not surprising, it is still shocking to realize that I live in a country filled with people who think cops are a super human and privileged caste who can do no wrong. The jurors in this case are absolute buffoons. Because of them and their pathetic ilk the unionized police will become even bolder and more obnoxious. Because of this mentally and ethically defective jury the taxpayers of Fullerton will now have to ante up millions of dollars more when the city has to settle a civil suit for what it’s enforcement caste has done to an unarmed, mentally ill homeless man.
Thanks to a Federal program thousands of police departments across the country are being armed for war against the people. The repulsive autocrat in the White House whines about the people having semi-auto rifles while he arms the Fascistic enforcement caste with “weapons of war” like tanks, machine guns, spy drones and sophisticated devices for invasive searches. The police are now a paramilitary occupying force thanks to our liberty destroying Welfare-Warfare state and it’s stupid and failed War on Drugs.
At this point the only thing left to do is keep your head down and shuffle along like the rest of the slaves. If you’re lucky the local Fascista won’t pay you a visit with their mine resistant tank driving, paramilitary SWAT goons. Pay your taxes and your utility bills on time and keep your mouth shut or you could be the next Kelly Thomas or Donald Scott.
I hope Ramos and Ciccinelli have to spend the rest of their miserable lives looking over their shoulders.
Another wonderful and enlightening article by the Dys!! 🙂
Dys, do you have any information on the make-up of the jury in terms of employment or job skills? 🙂
Duncey–Grrrrrrrrrrrr tiger!
Jury service is virtually anonymous by statute. I think that’s so that juries can be free to vote without fear of reprisal from marginals and malcontents. Pretty good system, huh?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrtiger!jujitsinternetoughguy Grrrrrrrrrrrr
Grrrrrrrrrrrrtiger!jujitsinternetoughguy Grrrrrrrrrrrr –
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Oh teddy steals, leave donk alone 😉
Btw, I was led to believe through various reports that at the time of the Thomas beating incident the current FPD Chief Hughes was the on-duty patrol operations Captain. As I recall, the patrol cops involved in the beating were allowed to rewrite their original reports about the beating AFTER watching the famed beating video. I recall DA Rackaukas questioned the authority of the cops being allowed to rewrite their reports after a roundtable viewing of the famed video. And he’s the top prosecutor. lol. Oh, and all 6 cops were placed back on routine patrol shortly after the beating. lol. Then the citizens protested and demanded further investigation. The decision got reversed. All 6 cops were relieved of duty and 3 were charged with crimes. lol. And then Hughes fired 3 of them in the ensuing months after he put them back on patrol shortly after they killed Kelly. If not for the protests and uproar by the citizens would the cops have done the RIGHT THING??? Come on. Of course not. They were FORCED into it only by citizen involment. So how many times do the PD’s do the RIGHT THING only when forced into it??? lol. Re the Rodney King beating – would the Feds have retried those cops void of the unrest in South Central? Why do the authorities have to be forced into doing the RIGHT THING??? Ever wonder about that?
And this malarkey that as an American I have to respect the jury’s verdict?
No I don’t.
Just like I don’t have to respect six well-nourished vicious cops who savagely battered a defenseless vulberable schizophrenic with toothpick arms to death.
I didn’t volunteer to serve in the US miliary so that loose cannon cops could murder innocent civilians. I took my sworn oath seriously. And I still do, btw!!! When I took my sworn oath I wasn’t just mouthing words. I meant it!!!
Where’s the guy who fell into the hole?
Maybe he fell back in again. Somebody go check on him. I can’t find a ladder that long. The rental shop at Home Depot has maximum 32 footers. That’s not long enough. And I’ll be darned if I’m going to buy a 40 footer for him. lol.
El Collapso— LOL—- have you tired yourself out yet backpeddling!
LMAO! I am still enjoying your epic fail!
Beep beep beep mon back little buddy!!!
Once again zero content in any post from the peanut gallery back peddle choir boys!
Donkey – I have no idea what the individual jurors do for a living. All I know is that it’s VERY STRANGE, to my knowledge, that none of the jurors went public after the trial. Normally after high-profile trials several jurors appear before the press and provide their rationale behind verdicts, particularly the jury foreman. It’s VERY STRANGE INDEED that all 12 of them seemed to go into hiding afterwards. I very much wanted to hear how their stories. Why they let 2 cops escape justice after participating in a public execution. I can’t imagine any rationale that would pass my stink test but I would be very willing to listen. I always give a man or woman the opportunity to tell their side of the story, whether I agree or disagree. And then after they’re done I want the opportunity to critique what they just said, if the story does not make sense or pass the stink test. But when they all run away and hide it raises my suspicions. The justice system is supposed to be transparent. If they unanimously voted ‘not guilty’ we the people should have the right to know why. Otherwise it smells like a kangeroo court.
LIC, I remember during the OJ trial the job and personal information of every juror was talked about, their education, job title, age, and sex. This seems like a set up to give the illusion at justice, bread and circuses as history repeats again. 🙂
I know, Donkey.
Plus, in all the high-profile cases that I’ve ever followed jurors always come forward immediately and explain their verdicts to the media.
They wouldn’t even have to disclose their name if they didn’t want to. They could identify themselves by number.
That’s why I am very suspicious about this whole process. Something doesn’t smell right. Something is amiss. The dots don’t connect. The turd doesn’t float. These jurors need to come out of the shadows and talk to us.
We need a reporter like Jack Anderson to kick some doors in!! How about Moxely @ the OC Weekly? 🙂
Back Peddle–
You probably wouldn’t like the jurors answers if you heard them– they would mostly say something like, well…yes it was sad but we took an oath to follow the law no matter where it led us to G or NG.
End of story
case closed
here endeth the lesson.
Lots of people take oaths and violate them. For instance look at the law enforcement profession. How would any rational citizen take a sworn oath from a cop seriously when he and 5 of his buddies hold down a vulberable, defenseless, malnourished homeless schizophrenic who committed no crime and literally busted his face into pieces leaving a puddle of blood on the concrete and murdering the poor man? Sworn oath??? LOL!!! I don’t pay any attention to people when they take sworn oaths. Anyone can mouth words. I judge people by their actions after they take the sworn oath, not by the oath itself. Words are just that…mere words. The only way I’d know whether the jurors honored their sworn oaths would be by listening to the rationale behind their ‘not guilty’ verdicts. Verdicts are supposed to be rendered based on the FACTS and the LAW. So I want to be convinced that the verdicts in the Thomas case were just. When the jurors run off and hide it raises my suspicions. Why hide when the US justice system is supposed to represent transparency? We the people should have a right to know. Or do we have to wait for book deals to get signed?
LOL “run off and hide”? — Wow– if collapso was ever a juror he’d insist on a tv show of his own thereafter! Poor “backpeddle boi” ™
If I were on a jury of this magnitude which had such a huge impact on the community – you bet you bippy I’d be front and center. And I wouldn’t wait for a book deal either. I would have an OBLIGATION to the PEOPLE to explain the rationale for the verdict that I reached. I feel I would OWE that to my fellow American citizens!!!
LOL– El Colapso Back Peddlo dreams of moments of adequacy!
Collapso…..Let it go…….give us some air….You’re smothering us!
Cyber hogging should be banned!
Of the 12 jurors 10 of them have bachelor’s degrees. 2 of the jurors are lawyers and one of the lawyers was the foreman of the jury. the youngest juror was like in his early 20’s and the oldest I heard around 60.This was a very educated jury and they did just what they were supposed to,listen to all the evidence and not let emotions from a 30 min grainy video get in the way of facts. I bet that new police chief was offered the position only if he caved in and fired the 2 officers on a knee jerk reaction without facts. The officers should have stayed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of a trial, now the poor taxpayers of fullerton are on the hook for some huge bills!!
One of the finest Americans who ever graced this nation, Will Rogers, once said:
“Education never helped morals. The most savage people are the most moral. The smarter the guy the bigger the rascal”.
Naturally the ‘savage people’ Will referred to were the American Indians who were wiped out and had their land stolen by the educated ones with the fancy titles.
If these jurors are so educated why don’t they come out of the shadows and speak to us? Why hide? Why not talk to us and explain their verdicts? Are they cowards? The American justice system was designed to be fully transparent system. There is NO transparency without the rationale behind the verdicts. We the people have a right to know.
Of course they want their jobs back! Where else will they get the rush from beating defenseless people to death
with impunity? And the benefits are amazing…I mean what else are they going to do? Teach preschool?
And of course the Chief doesn’t want them back. These psychotic assclowns are a liability for everyone in the department and the city. Plus they make cops look bad, really bad….
Btw, how about the father of the year R Thomas bringing in his anarchist goons to help protest the other night in fullerton. These idiots from out of town terrorized the residents of fullerton by throwing chairs threw windows of the local businesses,blocking traffic,spray painting streets and walls,etc,etc. Way to go R Thomas by following law and order! You morons should be over in Santa Ana off civic drive protesting the jury verdict if your unhappy with our legal system. I bet R Thomas settles his civil suit prior to letting it go to a jury, I just wonder how much money he is going to donate in kellys name for Drug abuse,alcoholism,mental illness and homeless shelters? My guess is none!
What the protesters did was nothing compared to what those savage cops did to a defenseless, malnourished, weak, 135# mentally ill man who was minding his own business and who committed no crime and had NO drugs or alcohol in his system.
I hope the protests in Fullerton get bigger and bigger. I hope that they never let them forget.
This whole thing stinks of a whitewash.
NTHEOC, I have the utmost respect for law enforcement in most circumstances. This episode needs to be viewed in proper perspective. I heard R Thomas interviewed on Jon and Ken today–they are a couple of loud-mouths that I routinely hold in total disdain. But, R Thomas came across as very credible; he said he deplores the events that happened the other night–those were rabble-rousers–not the supporters that have been with him throughout the ordeal. I don’t think we can judge a parent of a mentally ill child, until we have walked in his shoes. The event that occurred that night in Fullerton sickens me–that was not standard procedure–wasn’t that why the officers were fired prior to the trial? Their colleagues should not have been allowed to testify at that trial!
Well said ntheoc—- that display of arrogance was typical of the Dad of the year!
No matter how egregious the incident — police gunning down a troubled teen in an empty park
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Attempted murder on a family member then suicide by cop, it was a very sad situation all around for all involved.
shooting a fleeing suspect in the back
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Chris, why do people flee the police? I just hope its not one of your family members who is injured or killed by someone fleeing. Why dont they just follow the orders of the officers? Hmmmmmmm??
Take it away, commenters. Explain to us once again how Kelly Thomas got what he had coming.
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It’s just to bad his family abandoned him to the streets, a very sad situation. Obviously kelly had a very violent past and no bystander wanted to deal with him either. Again, this was a very sad situation for all involved.
Oh, so some guy running from the cops deserves a bullet in the back??? lol.
Welcome to Nazi Germany!!! lol.
Maybe if these fat tubs of lard didn’t weigh 300# they could catch him as opposed to shooting him in the back!!! lol.
Oh, and here comes the bashing of Kelly’s parents again. Blaming the parents for the 6 cops who held down a 135# ADULT schizophrenic and bashed his brains in with the butt of taser gun.
NTHEOC forgets that Kelly was a GROWN ADULT and not 10 years old. When a man or a woman becomes an ADULT his or her parents do not have any LEGAL authority to control any aspect of their lives. Earth to NTHEOC…..earth to NTHEOC…..
Lets look at you Ntheoc, the privileged son of a FF RAGWUS feeder. Born into a cabal of thieves willing to say or do anything to keep your PS scam afloat. So much so that you would defend sociopaths that beat a 130lb homeless man to death and in the same breath lie about Ashley MacDonald and say she attempted to murder a family member. You are so caught up in defending the moral decay in your PS circle you resort to attacking those that had nothing to do with the murder of Kelly or Ashley.
It looks as if you have a little down time at the station today, did the DVD break taking porn off you menu for the dozing for dollars crew? 🙂
Donk, you just destroyed NTHEOC 😉
Poor Duncey–Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr little tiger!!! You sound so jealous of folks with good jobs– although it is unclear if you’d have the courage to be a ff or a cop—CLEARLY you’d have some difficulty with the psych evaluation. In any event I think we can all agree that the 135 pound mental patient had quite a well developed history of violence– no doubt the cops involved here had that on their minds when trying to arrest the squirmy car tampering suspect.
You know to be honest here, and let me be vulnerable here for just a second girls, I think that Duncey the internet tiger (a moniker he has given him or herself de facto) , could have possibly subdued this perp single handedly by invoking his super power of ju-jits junior high name calling! She may have actually been a good street cop if her desire for Adelanto hadn’t been so strong.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
– although it is unclear if you’d have the courage to be a ff or a cop— –
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All it takes is a GED and a family or friend working there teddy, ask mark furman.
Didn’t you tell the court that you attended a police academy but couldn’t get a law enforcement job, Rex?
Chaz Steals, most cops are cowards, though some may not be, but those that aren’t never seem to surface when their brothers murder a citizen.
You can return to polishing your costume shield steals, the brighter it shines the easier it is for fat body to hide behind. 🙂
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr ju jits internet tiger!
It’s so easy to get you girls going!
Hey what a game no?? That NE defense has been slow against the run all season!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr internet tough guys
Poodle–Duncey toughie and El Collapso Backpeddleo
Ahhhhhhh you guys are beautiful…..
Donkey hates cops, even though he claims his son is an FBI agent.
Poor Duncey—– Internet tough guy— Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
FBI— Fan Belt Inspector?
Comparing a local cops to the FBI is like comparing girl’s powderpuff football to the Seattle Seahawks. lol.
Did you read Obama’s latest quote? He said that if he had a son he wouldn’t let him play pro football. LOL! LOL! LOL! What a stupid comment for a POTUS to make! Somebody who owns a set needs to take him aside and tell him to STHU!!! Oh, and he also said that he realizes some people don’t like him because they don’t like the idea of having a black POTUS!!! LOL! LOL! LOL! Now he’s playing the race card and blaming his record low ratings on racism!!! LOL! LOL! LOL! Hey, Mr. President, We don’t dislike you because of the color of your skin. We can’t stand you because every time you turn around you LIE TO US!!!! You are a rotten POTUS. That’s why we can’t stand you!!! Deal with that!!!!
LIC, good analogy on the FBI!! My son has helped put cops in the cells where they belong.
SKdog, I dislike a bad system that allows lowlife scum to execute citizens whenever they feel the whim. “Hate” is a term that state LE agencies use when referring to non-connected citizens. 🙂
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr internet tiger!!!!!! You go girl!
The FBI is……mmmmmm…….awesome!
El Collapso Back Peddle Queen—- While the POTUS has nothing to do with this thread……….your lifetime achievements, If any, will pale into insignificance when compared to his.
And that would be a supreme compliment to you madam.
Type now trolls!
Is your “son” also involved in gathering criminal intelligence on your increasingly extremist views and group associations?
Riiiight… Because you know so much about the mission and duties of the FBI and other law enforcement agencies across our nation?
Time to beg or buy a clue, El Collapso.
Famous But Ineffective?
Donkey says,
Lets look at you Ntheoc, the privileged son of a FF RAGWUS feeder. Born into a cabal of thieves willing to say or do anything to keep your PS scam afloat. So much so that you would defend sociopaths that b
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Wow, how do I respond to such an insane statement? I really have no words….
I don’t know. Maybe by telling Donkey that he might have a legitimate point?
Donkey says,
and in the same breath lie about Ashley MacDonald and say she attempted to murder a family member.
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Police said Ashley slashed her mother with a knife Friday morning and a short time later sprung with the weapon at police officers, who shot and killed her.”They repeatedly asked her to drop the knife,” Sheriff’s Department spokesman Jim Amormino said. “She lunged toward the officers and that’s when they shot at her.” MacDonald,had once been a “cutter,” someone who makes superficial cuts to their body.
You really are making yourself look foolish donkey!!!!
Ntheoc, it is the natural order for men to protect women from harm at all costs, only cowards, sociopaths, and misogynists abuse or murder women.
Ashley MacDonald, who was murdered on Saturday the 25th of August 2006, was 15 feet from and seen turning away from Officers Parker and Randle when they started shooting her to death.
The story these two clowns from the HBPD gave changed five times in the papers alone, but the most telling lie was that they had sent a third officer back to get a pepper ball gun, when in fact it is required of all HBPD officers to carry pepper spray with them at all times on their little “batman” belts.
Ashley never “slashed” her Mother as you say Ntheoc, just as she never lunged at Parker and Randle from 15 to 20 feet away in the middle of a park. Real men would have never done what Parker and Randle did to Ashley that morning at Sunview Park, 15 shots to her small body, with 5 in her back while she lay on the ground. In what universe is this normal or just? These two clowns had a 24 inch stick, pepper spray, and some type of hand to hand training but their choice was to shoot a small 5′-4″ 120lb teenage girl. Both Parker and Randle should have been charged with murder, and drug tested, because rational men do not behave in this way. 🙂
You sovereign citizens are nuts!!!
I don’t even know what a ‘sovereign citizen’ is.
Just call me a citizen who is able to decipher right from wrong. Something I was taught as a young boy and it stuck. I think Jesus called it the ‘golden rule’. Other religions have different names for the same thing. But it’s universal. Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. Very simple to understand. Even simpletons can figure that one out. How would those killer cops like 6 big brutes to do to them individually what they did to Kelly? Hmmm?
Kelly never even committed a crime and was stone cold sober when they killed him.
Unfortunate all around. Let it go…..live a good positive life…….
As far as Obama goes, based upon his latest revelation to the New Yorker Mag if you don’t like him it’s because you just don’t like the idea of a black POTUS. lol.
And then if you don’t vote for Hillary in 2016 it’s be because you’re a sexist and a misogynist. lol.
That will be the dimocrats new political strategy post Obamacare. Bury the nation in guilt to win their votes. lol.
Only in America. lol. This stuff would never work anywhere else. If a pol in any other nation tried it he or she would get laughed off the planet.
Concerned for you Bro, what causes it?
El Collapso Back Peddleo–
You don’t think you could have sub-conscious race oriented feelings about President Obama?
Who has the ‘sub-conscious race oriented feelings’ when he blames his low approval ratings on white people not liking him because they don’t like the idea of a black POTUS? I’m just pointing out reality. So divisive and such a pathetic example of a role model for America. Well over half of the white population voted for Obama in 2008. Now he blames white people when his ratings tank? What would America and the world say had Mitt Romney been elected and when his rating tanked due to a pack of lies and he said many dislike him because they don’t like the idea of having a white president? There would be a US media blitzkreig to ridicule him and America would be the laughing stock of the world.
When a POTUS blames his low approval ratings on race (regardless what color his skin might be) when the REAL reasons for his low approval ratings are readily apparent to EVERYONE – it leaves a huge stain on the office of the presidency and our nation.
And it tells the nation that it’s okay to blame our shortcomings and failures on race, gender, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, political affiliation, etc… even when it has nothing to do with those things.
A pathetic example of a leader. No wonder America is in crisis.
Where’s your cite to where the President blamed his approval on race?
Chaz Steals wrote: “You don’t think you could have sub-conscious race oriented feelings about President Obama?”
It’s sad when logic and reason is discarded by people like you Steals. Obama is a lousy POTUS, far worse than both the Bush and Clinton periods. The joker you worship has most probably ruined the future for my grandchildren, enslaving them in a mountain of debt that no nation could ever repay, just so a few RAGWUS feeders can live like royalty for the next few years. Obama was elected by White Americans Steals, you must be daft!! 🙂
Grrr tiger Duncey— why did your little buddy inject race into this thread?
El Collapso Backpeddleo–
Hmmm…
Why do you think that up til now here’s never been an African American President?
Or a women President?
So stupidly blind my misogynist pal, Obama is only half-black, but for race-baiters like you qualifications are not counted when seeking a person for a leadership position. All you are looking for is an ideology that perpetuates stealing from others to pay for your lifestyle, you are the perfect RAGWUD feeder Chaz Steals. 🙂
Thanks for the back-up, Donkey.
SteeLOL is so easy.
He climbs out of his hole and the poor guy just falls right back in again.
It’s sad that he can’t just accept facts and leave it at that. He just digs deeper and deeper.
And it’s sad that he would support the cops after a couple blue magic costume boys riddled a teenage girl holding what amounted to a pen knife with a barrage of bullets ending her life.
He suspect that he must have gender issues. lol.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr ju jitsu karate hiyaaaaaa internet toughie!
Whats ragwud?
Hmmmm still thinking little buddy???
I thought that might be a tough one!!
I will instruct you more on this soon…..
LOL– I mean THIS thread is about the Fullerton case and you redirect this thing to the African American President who you hate—–Hmmmmmm—seems like you have some issue little buddy!
“Why do you think that up til now here’s never been an African American President?
Or a women President?”
Obama wouldn’t have been elected to the Office of the President without the majority of the white vote, SteeLOL. lol. If America werw full of racists and sexists, as your post seemed to imply, Obama would not be our POTUS today. And that’s a fact. As a matter of fact, over 90% of the black vote went to Obama in both 2008 and 2012. So conversely, does your post imply that the black population of voters is ethno-centric?
Btw, Hillary barely won 50% of the female vote in the dim presidential primary in 2008. So whose fault is it that Hillary isn’t our President today? She couldn’t have been nearly as pathetic as what we have now! lol.
Oh, and I don’t dislike Obama due to the color of his skin.
I just detest anyone who holds a high office in America that constantly lies to the people through his teeth.
And my previous comments attest to that. My dislike for lying politicians is spread evenly across the board. I went after Bush with the same vigor as I go after Obama. I am an equal opportunity critic. I do not discriminate based on race, gender, religion, creed, etc… I simply speak truth. I know that you find that abhorrent though. LOL!
Hmmm hard to understand why youd inject race and the President into this thread– readers see his comments below post 22– curious.
Back Peddleo–Hmmmm– I don’t know little buddy you seem VERY preoccupied with this issue on an unrelated thread….hmmmm…..anyway— obviously those that vote for the president are not the racists we need to worry about– are they.
You need to take a logic course amigo, honestly. YOU turned a thread about the police chief into a thread about race and the President. Curious.
Hurry! Post NOW !!!
Oh– and please answer the questions– Why did it take 200 plus years to elect an African American? And Why have we still not had a women President?
Hurry!!!
No, you’re the one who came after me and made the accusations. I didn’t accuse you. You accused me. I provided my rationale to deflect your accusation. Now it’s time for you to respond to me. That’s the way discussions work. Let’s conduct this in the right order. Waiting……
mon back mon back beep beep beep
Btw, this blog is about ABUSE OF POWER.
A POTUS attempting to blame low approval ratings on something as lame as skin color when color of skin was not an issue in either election (2008 or 2012) when the REAL reason for the low approval ratings is a failure to adequately perform to standards as a POTUS IMO is a ABUSE OF POWER.
So the Obama comment fits in quite well. ABUSE OF POWER is ABUSE OF POWER.
Nothing follows…………..
LOL The President has nothing to do with this and his race, which YOU injected just below 22 supra is a give away about you little buddy!
I didn’t inject it. Obama did. Obama is the one who said it. I didn’t. All I did was mention it and that it falls under ABUSE OF POWER!!! lol.
Circular argument from SteeLOL.
Until he actually responds to the facts and questions that I posed I will suspend this debate.
Nothing follows……….
LOL YET another Back Peddle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE it
LOL– Oh Backpeddleo– here you go again!
This is too easy.
You were the first poster (just below Skips post at 22 above) to inject the unrelated RACE and President OBAMA into this thread!
So little fella– you brought it up– now answer the pending questions! LMAO!
It’s not really about ‘race’ per se.
It’s about ABUSE OF POWER. Just like 6 blue magic costumed boys bashing in the brains of a defenseless 135# schizophrenic is about ABUSE OF POWER.
Let that sink in between your ears and stick, SteeLOL!! Lol.
Now go back and respond SPECIFICALLY to the questions and facts that I posted.
Oh, wait. You can’t do that because doing so would make you look foolish. Too late. You’ve already accomplished that!!! lol.
Can you still see daylight from the bottom of that hole? Must be awful cold down there. Have you dug down 75 feet yet??? LOL!
LOL BACKPEDDLE BOY!!!!!!!!!
I love ya little buddy—– mon back mon back!!!!!!!!!!!!! beep beep beep
LIC, Chaz Steals is an irrational dolt. He is the same character that Victor Belinko wrote about in “Mig Pilot”, he is the New Progressive Man, sent into the world to steal the wealth of the private sector for his own enrichment, a narcissist with a debased set of morals. Most PS RAGWUS feeders have no moral compass. 🙂
Ragwud?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr internet toughie!!!! OG:) LMAO
HURRY!!!!!!!
Hey– I gotta go to Starbucks ™ to work on my screenplay and get a half caf tall double latte American with a twist—-you keep posting with the internet tough guy— I want to se alot of back peddle that I can work with when I get back! Hurry!!!
Readers, notice that SteeLOL couldn’t respond to the previous facts and questions I had under the ABUSE OF POWER topic – whether on the Thomas beating or Obama blaming his record low and tanking approval polls (<40%) on racism?
Hint: When a person cannot respond to specific facts or answer specific questions from an opponent during a debate it almost always means that, for all practical purposes, the debate is over and we have a winner and a loser. Anything that follows is mere claptrap.
Enjoy your holiday! Celebrate MLK who said that people should be judged upon their character and not the color of their skin! Mr. Obama – take heed!!! lol!!!
Chaz Steals has no intentions of discussing “Abuse of Power”, he works in a RAGWUS field that is the definition of those words. 🙂
Grrrrrrrrr Internet tough guy!!!!
Hurry Ladies!!!
LOL Backpeddler— mon back mon back beeeeeeeeep beeeeeeeeep beeeeeeeeeeeeeep
LMAO!!!!!!
OK– Off to Starbucks Corona Del Mar where I will look marvelous working on my screenplay!
PLEASE post more denials and backpeddles at once my little troll delights!!!
Hurry slaves!!!!!!!!
PRAISE MLK! A man who truly believed that his fellow man should be judged by the content of his character and not by the color of his skin!!!
So Mr. Obama – stop using the color of your skin versus your pathetic performance as the reason for your plummeting approval ratings!!!
Follow the wisdom and the moral authority of the great MLK, Mr. Obama!!! Stop hiding behind your skin color!!!
But seriously, why did you inject race and our Nation’s President into a thread about the police chief?
And, Why do you think it took 200 plus years to elect an African American little buddy?
beep beep beep mon back the backpeddle Queen!!!!!!
LMAO
Starbuck beckons!!! lol.
Do they offer shots of sodium pentathal with those half caf double tall lattes? LOL!
What’s your screenplay on? Self-introspection??? LOL!!!
You don’t think you could have “subconscious” gender oriented feelings about Ashley MacDonald or “subconcious” mental illness oriented feelings about Kelly Thomas???
Ooops. Where have I heard something similar to that before.
Oh yeah. Here it is! Flashback:
“You don’t think you could have sub-conscious race oriented feelings about President Obama?”
LOL!!!
Look deep within!!!!
I bet u wish your last post made sense, huh?
Here’s another good example of how brutal some of the magic blue costumed boy are in America. Just happened the other day. This would NEVER happen in other civilized nations.
“Cops bloodied an 84-year-old man and put him in the hospital Sunday when he jaywalked at an Upper West Side intersection and didn’t appear to understand their orders to stop, witnesses said.”
http://nypost.com/2014/01/19/cops-beat-elderly-man-after-he-jaywalked/
Old 84 year old asian man who had poor english skills (maybe senile) jaywalked. Cop was writing him a ticket. Man started to walk away. Cop grabbed him. Old man pushed back. Swarmed by other cops and beaten into a bloody mess (see photo). Even cops totalitarian nations wouldn’t do this to an old fragile man. If the old man pushed back they would simply restrain him. Not beat him into a bloody pulp.
The cops in the country are out of control.
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As you know I would love to comment on your post but it contains nothing new– just mere rant. Sorry pal.
beeeeeeeeeeeeeep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep mon back!
The guy was one news reporter away from following Kelly Thomas to the man upstairs!! What a bunch of hack cowards, where are the real men that used to wear those costumes!! 🙂
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr internet toughie!
RAGWUS parasite! 🙂
I’m a big personal fan of MLK! Huge fan! I love the guy! If he were alive I bet he would despise Obama and his lies too! Black people are in worse shape today than they were when Obama took office! Their average net worth has fallen per capita. Journalist Tavis Smiley and Princeton Prof Cornell West, both black, have publicly declared that Obama has done little as POTUS to benefit African Americans economically.Even the dyed in the wool liberals are starting to catch on to Obama’s tricks. lol. Go to the lib’s websites and read the comments if you don’t believe me. No wonder his approval ratings are in a freefall! Yet he hides behind his skin color!!! lol. What a disingenuous chumpus!
beeeeep beeeep mon back back peddle in progress!
Who are they going to shoot or beat next?
Paraplegics in wheel chairs if they they don’t follow cop commands???
Don’t laugh. After what we’ve seen it’s not out of the realm of possibility!
Imagine if Mitt Romney said that Obama beat him in Nov 2012 because people dislike the idea of having a mormon as their POTUS?? LOL!
They would mock Mitt on every late night comedy show from here to NYC! Leno and Kimmel would make him the laughing stock of the nation. The media would crucify him!!!
Teddy….sorry have not chimed in, but I am so pained by the hurt and divisiveness spewed by some of these newer posters….they appear to dislike everything….can make no sense of it………hope it gets better soon.
Keep up the fair and balanced thingee….you are really good at it.
It gets better if SteeLOL goes away!
Oh Collapso— If I left someone else would step up to document your famous back peddles! Sorry little buddy!
What truly fascinates me about some human beings is how they just hate the truth and the extremes they’ll go through to fight and suppress the truth tellers. lol. One would think such behavior would only exist in fascist or totalitarian societies. But no. That’s not true. There are truth haters all around us. Every single day. Truth haters who are particularly enraged when their weltanschauung is prove faulty. Egocentics! lol. Control freaks! lol. Little sensitive stunted adults who hold the belief the world was created to somehow revolve around them. lol. Adults that somewhere in the developmental stages were stunted. Blocked. Children stuck in adult bodies.
And these folks seem to run in groups. I suggest a wonderful read on Group Psychology by Sigmund Freud. It’s entitled “Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego”. Fascinating read. And actually quite short. An average reader could rip through it in a couple hours. And it’s free on-line. Freud explained it well. People feel brave in groups, particularly when given some authority. The individual is transformed in many ways when in a group. He takes on the emotions, the character, the values, the morals and even the intelligent quotient of the group. A man with an IQ of 120 may well act like he has the IQ of 95 when participating in a group behavior. A man will do things in a group that he would NEVER do as an individual. Freud called it the “herd instinct”. Yes, like an animal herd. All the wildebeests in the herd bolt with wild abandoned without even really knowing the reason. They just follow the herd. We humans are really not much different than wildebeests in relative terms. I mean there is really only a difference of maybe 4% in the DNA molecular structure of a pig and a human. And that’s a fact. If you don’t believe me, look it up! lol. In fact, I have come across some pigs in my life who seem to have more sense than some humans I meet.
I hope that this helps you maneuver through the puzzling world of human dynamics and sheds some light on the brutal killing of Kelly Thomas.
Ah yes– Regression in service of the ego—– you need to get at it little buddy! You need it in a big way!
Sadly for you I will never read the lengthy tome of nonsense you just wrote– in the 3 weeks I have known you it has become apparent that your written expression is mostly nonsense and therefore a complete waste of space.
After you derailed the thread to talk about race and the President of the United States in a complete non sequiter, it became obvious that your angry frustrated world view has a tinge of other unfortunate qualities.
Ted– your mentor
Notice how he always returns for more and more and more, readers???? lol.
How he darts from ridicule and sarcasm to anger and hurt feelings? lol.
How easily perturbed he becomes when a sore spot is touched? lol.
I don’t know. Were you ever a police officer before, SteeLOL?
Surprise me. lol.
Teddy, I know you remember dealing with this closet racist “ocobserver” (OC Register blog). He was banned and then fled after the Facebook requirement. He also ranted at the old “Friends for Fullerton’s Future” blog as “JustUs”. He still tries to play with the big boys at “Voice of OC” blog as “Beezlebub”. This guy is a raving lunatic, but I love watching you tear him apart! “Donkey” and “Rex” are harmless, but funny as they follow him around like puppets.
You seem to be returning for the beating pretty often yourself little buddy.
Separate them from the ‘herd’ and they fold like a chinese bedsheets.
Away from the ‘herd’ they don’t beat defenseless homeless schizophrenics to death, they don’t bloody up weak 84 year old great grandpa jaywalkers, they don’t riddle distraught teenage girls holding pen knives with a barrage of bullets from a range of 15 ft.
Away from the herd they’re cowards.
Teddy….let it go….the lad has things to work out….let him….take some hits for the good of CWD………. I’m game….when he feels better he will leave like the others….time on our side and his rehabilitation will be so good…win win.
I should Pack and Ship but I LOVE making El Collapso back peddle ™ !!!
Let’s call it a hobby.
I bet they set the alarm clock for every 2 hours to see if I’ve posted another comment so that they can respond. They hang on my every word.
Like little sychophant concubines who beckon my every call. LOL!!!
LIC, we are dealing with sociopathic RAGWUS feeders, they are devoid of a conscience or moral values! 🙂
LOL— so far El Collapso you post EVERY time I order you to!
Post NOW slave troll!!
Chaz stop your stealing ways!! 🙂
Teddy’s black armored Kevlar kneepads are on backorder. Evidently there’s been a surge in demand in California. Embossed with the great seal of the Superior Court and embroidered with the motto “To service those who serve”, they will look smashing on his office brag wall, hanging next to his mail order law degree.
Law Degree?? LOL — I have a GED–that’s it… remember?
Boys…boys….boys…..no one is on topic.
I try to keep the kids on topic U haul but with all of the backpeddling– it aint easy!
Chaz Steals from the private taxpayers!! 🙂