CA secessionists set for Sacramento rally


texas-map-1846-1500Proving out the maxim that some things never go out of style however unpopular they are, a group of California secessionists announced plans to follow up this year’s momentous presidential election with a rally for Golden State independence in Sacramento. 

“The Yes California Independence Campaign, which is based in San Diego, is aiming to qualify a citizen’s initiative in 2018 to get a referendum for secession on the ballot in 2019,” the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

“While the notion of an independent California does seem well-intended — points about immigration, environmental concerns, and education are thoughtful — the practicality of such a proposal is tenuous at best,” the paper concluded.

Revisionist history

The invitation to the Nov. 9 rally casts the Golden State in the role of a republic that was all but annexed by the United States. “In the 166th year of Congress admitting California as a U.S. state without the consent of the people of California itself, we will be organizing an all-day informational booth on the front steps of the California Capitol culminating in an evening independence rally beginning at 5:00 PM the day after Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is elected president of United States because no matter who is elected, California deserves its independence,” the invitation read

“California was admitted as a state on September 9, 1850 as the result of a deal struck in Washington where the south agreed to admit California as a free state in exchange for the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act (which required northerners to return escaped slaves to their masters in the south), and for the expansion of slavery into the Utah and New Mexico territories.”

The group has already amassed 14,600 likes on Facebook despite admittedly quixotic aims: a much more popular recent push for an independent Texas swiftly ran aground on constitutional legal issues. “After President Obama was re-elected in 2012, more than 125,000 people signed a petition asking for the government to allow the Lone Star State to go its own way,” the Washington Post recalled this summer. “That sentiment was revisited earlier this year, with Republican activists in Texas pushing to include a pro-secession plank in the party platform. (It didn’t happen.)”

Precedent and procedure

Yes California brainchild Louis Marinelli got a summertime publicity boost in the wake of the surprise Brexit result, which many analysts nervously or approvingly cited as a likely trend of populist decentralization throughout the western world. “This is the first Western secessionist movement that worked, and I think that is going to be very profound,” he told Newsweek. “Are you going to say to people in the freest country in the world (you) don’t have the right to self-determination?”

“For Marinelli, who is originally from Buffalo, New York, but calls California home, the commonalities between Brexit and Calexit, are clear: Both the United Kingdom and California feel disenfranchised by professional politicians in distant capitals (Brussels and Washington D.C.), strangled by over-regulation on trade and don’t feel they get enough value for their tax dollars.”

Faced with the prevailing constitutional interpretation that peaceable secession is effectively impossible, Yes California has worked through a response. “California cannot unilaterally declare itself independent of the United States even though the original 13 colonies unilaterally declared their independence from England,” as the group allowed on it website. Instead, it argued, Texas v. White, an 1869 case, indicates “several paths to legal and peaceful secession.” First, however, “it will be necessary for Californians to weigh in on the matter, which is what Yes California’s 2020 independence referendum is about. If there is no mandate from the people to secede, there is no reason for us to embark on this long and difficult legal journey to achieve that goal. So, an independence referendum on the ballot goes first.”

According to Yes California, the next step would either require a constitutional amendment to permit California’s departure from the Union or a convention of the states which would lead amicably to the same result. 


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  1. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 10 November, 2016, 12:22

    No Way!

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  2. Kneave Riggall
    Kneave Riggall 10 November, 2016, 13:33

    England :: USA, Scotland :: California

    England would be better off without the burden of Scotland and the USA would be (much) better off without California.

    The USA should give California all of the federally-owned lands in CA, including Yosemite, in return for 99-year leases on all military bases, and a mutual defense pact.

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  3. tolarat
    tolarat 10 November, 2016, 15:40

    As is so evident now, we out here on the “élitist” West Coast have little in common with that vast swath of red across the center of this country. Yet we are apparently ruled by them.

    They may as well be another country, and saying that, We may as well be another country.

    Secession is very difficult, to say the least – but there is no other state better positioned than California to succeed in this.

    Apparently California is currently the sixth largest economy in the world. We are completely self-sufficient in industry and agriculture, in fact we export most of our product to the rest of the country and the world. We have the largest population among the states. We have the largest coastline and major harbors, and there for better exposed to world commerce.
    In short, we have everything we need to be an independent country.
    Most importantly, the West Coast lives a life style that seems to irritate some of those to the east of us. Now it looks like the Federal government may succeed in imposing upon us in a way that we may find impossible to bear.

    Still, if it comes to that, we must work to make the break legally and peacefully, but always with the understanding that it my not end that way.

    Of course, California is not alone on the West Coast, there are Washington and Oregon – also blue states. All of similar life styles and indeed history, the ultimate destination of all those pioneer families who left the East for the progressive West.

    It is possible to form a Blue State Union – the entire West Coast.
    If it were to go this far you might see the addition of other blue states – Hawaii, Nevada, and if that, even Colorado – Blue State Nation!

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    • Psek
      Psek 10 November, 2016, 20:41

      YES!!! Nevada should come with you. I’m so tired of people in rural communities have more of a voice than us.

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      • Phil Ossiferz Stone
        Phil Ossiferz Stone 11 November, 2016, 12:46

        You brought three million illegal aliens into this state and gave them drivers’ licenses, you evil scumbag.

        You then passed nice progressive legislation to thoughtfully register everyone to vote when they GOT their driver’s license, you evil scumbag.

        When you did that, you evil scumbag, you disenfranchised the entire northern third of the state. You also disenfranchised the entire states of Montana and Wyoming in the electoral college. You did it in broad daylight with a big sunny smile on your face. It was the biggest act of electoral fraud in American history, and you got away with it.

        You applaud and subsidize parents who geld medically healthy boys and send them to school in dresses. You import foreign workers to be trained by the Americans they are replacing. You put sodomy on the marriage altar and turn our public spaces into homeless encampments, but pass Jim Crow laws against anyone who owns the wrong kind of inanimate object that goes bang. You decline to put the smashmouth power of the state on the border or in the killing fields of our inner cities, but you will put it in my house, and are okay with me getting my brains blown out in the middle of the night by a SWAT team with a no-knock warrant if I refuse to comply with your unConstitutional diktats.

        And the first time the country at large rebukes you, you child-gelding vote-rigging postmodern beast, you start whining and hair-pulling and weeping and wailing over the tyranny of those nasty rural people who grow the organic veggies you buy at the farmer’s market.

        Any time you evil scumbags want to secede, do it. I welcome it. Because us red-staters will secede from you on the very first day. We are armed and you are not.

        Say when. Scumbag.

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        • tolarat
          tolarat 11 November, 2016, 18:40

          How impressive the eloquence of your argument, the quality of which must only rival that of your apparent intelligence.

          You read me so well – I’ll leave it with that, because it’s difficult, if not impossible to argue with someone who’s mind is so obviously bent and full of misinformation and simple ignorance. There in little in your tirade that is not of popular but unfounded paranoid conspiracy theory.

          Do you really believe that anyone can vote with just a driver’s license?
          And your homophobia – well we know where that comes from, don’t we?

          As for your threat – well, sad to say, it may come to that. You claim your advantage of being armed, while we are generally not – true enough, but that advantage would be short termed. If you have ever been in combat then you probably know how brief that advantage might be, and how quickly it all can end.

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          • Andrew X
            Andrew X 12 November, 2016, 19:54

            I would note that a Republican government that is reasonably true to its ideals would be FAR less likely to “impose upon you” then a Democratic government of the coasts and cities is inclined to impose upon the rest of the country from it.

            A viable solution here, and I know it sounds like krazy krazy talk, is to consider what a bunch of be-wigged gentlemen devised about 240 years ago. A mutually beneficial union of 50 SOVERIEGN STATES, with the Federal Government doing as minimal as is reasonably possible.

            If California thinks it can be the first place in history to make socialism work, well, let’s see what you got. California does not need to elect Democrats that insist on making Idaho and Oklahoma socialist as well. Meanwhile, a conservative president and congress, if true to their ideals, can make a real nuisance of themselves constantly going around and leaving everybody alone.

            As a California ex-pat with a boot firmly in both camps, I can say that the fact is, the system works, and very well. It’s this unfathomably voracious and ever-growing federal government that is the problem. And it is not lost on us that, Democrats having done all they can to foster that growth, are now deeply terrified as though it never occurred to them that that immensely powerful entity that THEY joyfully created (but not alone) might come under “hostile” control.

            But who, who, WHO could EVER have considered that such a thing could happen? Oh yeah, those be-wigged guys, 240 years ago. THEY figured that out.

            I submit that secession is NOT about control over your lives or your state. It’s just that you hate, loathe and despise “those” people, as the left has never existed in history without an enemy to agitate against. And, yes, human nature as it is, all to many on the other side return that hate, Like P.O.S. (heh) up there (though not as many as you like to tell yourselves), making it ugly all around, but it we STOPPED assuming some singular government entity and an immense army of bureaucrats can control everyone and everything, enormous progress could made to reduce that.

            If only someone have ever thought that way before now!

            Oh, yeah….. they did.

        • Bill - San Jose
          Bill - San Jose 13 November, 2016, 20:20

          Outstanding comments.

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  4. Mike
    Mike 12 November, 2016, 06:19

    Can the other states unfriend California from the union? There is a perception, especially after this election, that California uses their bunghloles much to much for the wrong purposes. I understand Ricardo Lara is so upset at the results, he found himself unaroused at a junior high school boys water polo match. Ricky Nohardo.

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  5. Bill - San Jose
    Bill - San Jose 13 November, 2016, 20:17

    We’ve had this come up before.

    Why wouldn’t it be easier just to split the state into six parts and have 12 senators up there to really effect the legislation?

    But that is too easy.

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  6. Andrew X
    Andrew X 14 November, 2016, 23:00

    Of course we are well aware of the movement to do just that. My thoughts are that there are two issues —

    1) Six is too much. I am not sure why they think the idea of that many would fly. It won’t.

    I kind of like a state of ‘California’ that starts at Santa Barbara County and goes south and east to Mexico from there (capital Santa Barbara), ‘Alta California’ that is the entire inland region, Valley and Sierras, from there north, and over to the coast at Humboldt County (capital Sacramento), and then maybe ‘Pacifica’ (tentative name) of all the coastal counties west of the valley from Mendocino to San Luis Obisbo, including all Bay Area counties (capital Monterey). Three states, three viable regions.

    2) That six state plan actually calls for the name of my home, San Jose, to be the center of a state actually and literally called ‘Silicon Valley’. I might have heard a stupider idea in my lifetime at some point, but I can’t for the life of me think of when. The idea is kind of like saying, “Hey, the kids have been calling Jeffy ‘T-Bone’ for a while now. Let’s go to court and change his name legally to ‘T-Bone’! I mean, c’mon, he’s T-Booooonnnnnnne, right?”


    But I do think something along these lines is ripe for some serious, and CALM, DISPASSIONATE discussion, where words like “Trump”, “Democrat”, and “Republican” do NOT enter into the conversation.

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