Taxing 60 years ahead for jobs now

Aug. 23, 2012

By Katy Grimes

When the government tries to create jobs, taxpayers beware. Government-created jobs are always more expensive, paid for with special taxes and bonds, and often for projects that are unnecessary, overblown, and could have been done by the private sector.

However, we do not usually see governments impose taxes 60 years in advance to pay for for jobs today. AB 1446 by Assemblyman Mike Feurer, D- Los Angeles, will do just that.

AB 1446 will allow the Los Angeles Metropolitan Transportation Authority to extend Measure R, a sales tax increase approved by voters in 2008 that is in effect until 2039, and to raise billions of dollars in the coming years for construction of the Los Angeles subway light rail extension.

Voters and taxpayers are being conditioned to approve the supersizing of our financial obligations – it’s like taking a 30 year mortgage and stretching it to 50 or 60 years.

AB 1446 will allow Los Angeles to vote again on Measure R+, to extend the 2008 transportation sales tax for an additional 30 years, which supporters claim will accelerate the construction of regional traffic highway and transit projects and provide needed jobs.  If approved, Los Angeles residents will be paying the tax until 2069.

Many are saying that this particular rendition of a tax extension is not in the best interest of the community.

30/10 plan will be 60/10 plan

“The original Measure R was part of the mayor’s ambitious plan to extend various subway lines throughout transit-challenged Los Angeles,”LA Weekly reported. “He called it the “30/10″ plan, because — on the promise of 30 years’ worth of Measure R revenue — he could borrow the money from the federal government, and build in one decade what would normally take three.”

“Then there’s the question, locally, of whether a few more stops on the Metro rail system are really worth the billions we’ll be pumping into them.,” LA Weekly asked.

“What about the beleaguered bus system — the only current public transit option that can deliver a low-income worker from one end of sprawling L.A. County to the other? And what about the pockmarked roads and highways of L.A., whose cracks and potholes total lowriders and spill hot coffee on our collective lap daily?”

Opponents

“The original Measure R was a well-documented, well thought out piece of legislation that gave very specific details regarding projects, timelines and funding for the city’s transportation expansion plan,” Bernard Parks recently wrote in City Watch.

“This new extension, known as Measure R+, goes contrary to the original plan by not giving a specific timeline for the projects.  No new transportation projects are being added, the extra tax is simply to accelerate the speed of the current projects. To tax people until the year 2069 merely to speed up projects that have already been approved and funded is not in the community’s best interest,” Parks explained.

The bill

“This bill allows MTA to impose a transactions and use tax with no limit as to the duration of the tax,” bill analysis reads. “The Committee may wish to ask the author first why the existing 30-year authority granted in 2008 through legislation and approved by voters is not enough, and second, why, four years later, an extension is needed but no limit is specified. When does the author anticipate putting such a ballot measure forward for voters to decide whether to permanently extend this transactions and use tax?” the first bill analysis asked.

“According to the author, this bill is intended to give Los Angeles County voters the opportunity to extend the duration of a local source of funding for an ambitious program of transportation infrastructure projects that will transform the Los Angeles region. The anticipated new revenue can be bonded against to build projects in MTA’s transportation plan sooner.”

Voice of reason

“I don’t know why there was bipartisan support on this bill,” Assemblywoman Diane Harkey, R-Dana Point said. “The current MTA tax runs to 2039 and cannot be repealed by voters. This bill will extend another 30 years to 2069. The people will be paying more taxes, and not able to repeal until 2069, to the County of Los Angeles. Why?” Harkey asked.

“The jobs quoted are a drop in the bucket. Something else is going on,” Harkey said. “Los Angeles is one of the biggest problems in the state, once it starts spiraling down. Why do we have to tax years from now to get jobs now?” Harkey asked. “Debt is not going to help LA–tell LA to get its house in order.”

Background

The bill analysis gave the background on Los Angeles Measure R: “When Measure R was adopted, MTA estimated that the 30-year program was about $40 billion. Because of the recession and general economic malaise, MTA is now estimating that Measure R will generate about $36 billion by 2038. When Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa proposed to accelerate the construction of all 12 rail transit projects so that they would be completed in 10 years and not the usual 30 years, MTA began a search for additional revenue or funding mechanisms. This bill endeavors to solve the problem of insufficient revenue by removing the sunset on Measure R. Should the voters approve a new sales tax without a sunset, MTA may be able to issue additional debt and take advantage of the federal credit assistance program included in The Transportation Infrastructure Finance and Innovation Act.”

Size and scope of project

“While the vision that is driving the current effort to make the Measure R sales tax permanent is well-intentioned, it is disingenuous to the voters to give a blank check to the MTA,” L.A. County Supervisor Don Knabe said in a statement. “The sales tax currently does not expire until 2039, so there is no reason to extend it unless we want to spend the next generation’s money today.”

“If it passes, officials plan to borrow against future revenues to help expedite the transit projects funded by Measure R, including the Westside Subway Extension, so workers can break ground on the efforts in five years instead of 20,” the LA Times reported. “They would also need billions of dollars in federal loans to make that happen.”

Another snafu apparently is that Beverly Hills residents would need to approve putting subway tunnels under Beverly Hills High School.

“By continuing Measure R, we will be creating jobs, relieving highway congestion, and completing light rail and subway projects in one decade instead of three,” Peter Sanders, spokesman for LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, told the Los Angeles Times.

But the jobs that Villaraigosa says will be created are just more union-wage jobs at the MTA, through big union contracts, with no proof that traffic congestion will really be alleviated, and no road repairs made. Voters, be very wary.

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  1. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 23 August, 2012, 09:10

    Financial leverage taught by pinhead, private industry rejects in college has given politicans unlimited opportunities to pork and patronize to secure political power.

    The people are unsophisticated not knowing the downsides of too much leverage.

    So there- only way out is raise taxes! Without revenue you cannot service the debt interest.

    Cutting is a joke….benefit junkies want their bottles of juicee! They are entitled having written and/or long standing oral social contracts.

    Please….no posts of the usual stale stuff that never ever will go down. And most these boring retorts are laughable!

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  2. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 23 August, 2012, 10:07

    AB 1446 will allow Los Angeles to vote again on Measure R+, to extend the 2008 transportation sales tax for an additional 30 years, which supporters claim will accelerate the construction of regional traffic highway and transit projects and provide needed jobs. If approved, Los Angeles residents will be paying the tax until 2069.

    This should be illegal. No one in gov should have the ability to force tax policy past their actual time in office, much less 3-4 generations into the future. It reminds me exactly of what the Poway School District did with those 50 year bond issue that will cost 10 times what they borrowed.

    One of the ereasons we are upside down is allowing gov representatives t do this kind of scam, allowing US to tax FUTURE generations for OUR improvements.

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  3. BobA
    BobA 23 August, 2012, 10:27

    Ulysses Uhaul:

    Raising taxes won’t close the gap between state spending and state income. What’s needed is European style tax rates.

    The minimum personal income tax rate should start at 20% and top out at 50% for those making over $100k a year. It’s only fair that people making more than $100k a year sacrifice half of the income for the good of the state.

    Property taxes are much to low in California so prop 13 should be repealed and property taxes doubled or even tripled in some cases. It’s not fair that some people can afford to own property while others can not.

    The state needs revenue now! The sooner we get to do these things, the sooner the state can balance its books and get back to spend money on building infrastructure, illegal immigrants and of course the children.

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  4. Tax Target
    Tax Target 23 August, 2012, 10:38

    Good god BobA what planet did you drop in from? What’s needed is a government that is 80% smaller than what it is…. Frankly, I’m not interested in living in a communist state. That is complete and total nonsense. Fair?? Get a clue! Because you’re unable to afford something doesn’t make it unfair.

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  5. us citizen
    us citizen 23 August, 2012, 11:20

    Uhaul……..

    Do you have a brain aneurism? I suggest you get it fixed before your head blows up.

    You are always knocking college grads for one thing. Whats the matter do you feel inferior. Ya know I usually dont bash people personally but for crying out loud………talk about socialistic ideas! First we dont want to be like Europe!!! Have you ever been there? Nice to look at, but not nice to live there. High taxes and ridiculous house prices for buildings that are hundreds of years old and are stacked on top of each other. Try living in Paris…….1 million for a 900 sq ft piece of crap.

    20-50% tax rate. Yeah that is going to want a lot of people want to work and better themselves. I take it you are on hand outs since you dont make a decent living wage or you would not be for this.

    Its not fair that some people cant own property! And who’s problem is that?
    You drop out of school, dont have a good job, screw up with drugs or alcohol……well that is YOUR problem. We are not here to be someone elses daddy or uncle and take care of them.

    Life is NOT fair. Never has been, never will be. Accept that or do something about it.

    And so you think in my neighborhood where the prop taxes are over 1000 a month that that should TRIPLE. I think that is way than enough, infact it is too much!

    Spending on illegals! HA HA HA You are sick. Let them go back to their own country and fix it and stop leaching off of us. I dont work to pay for someone else. Period.

    Yeah, you must be in a govt position job, if you have one. You want to spend more and on irresponsible nonscense because that is the mind set of CA’s out of touch govt.

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  6. Ted
    Ted 23 August, 2012, 11:30

    whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr — the sound of spinning blog trolls……

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  7. jimmydeeoc
    jimmydeeoc 23 August, 2012, 12:07

    You tools.

    BobA was being a tad facetious. Though he mixed in some legitimate uses of tax money in with the absurd, so it’s a bit hard to tell at first.

    Speaking of absurd—– Not that any of us will be around in 2069 (except Katy, perhaps) but pushing taxes out 60 years is just comical. Does anyone NOT believe that the whole charade we are living will have collapsed long before that?

    Wimpy only wanted a hamburger today….and for that he promised to pay you Tuesday. But 2069? LOL LOL……

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  8. queeg
    queeg 23 August, 2012, 12:17

    Glad to see there are some commies posting….Ulysses may pack and ship to some freak loaded state like Colorado that is a budding California….

    However, Business in California for Ulysses will be good till Prop 13 goes down….then it will be overwhelming….

    There is no way taxes can be cut….they must rise……they say when doing remodeling….spend your way out….that is California….tax and spend your way out….

    As Always…..your top and favorite and highest ratedvendor….Ulysess Uhaul

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  9. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 23 August, 2012, 13:13

    Property taxes are much to low in California so prop 13 should be repealed and property taxes doubled or even tripled in some cases. It’s not fair that some people can afford to own property while others can not.

    Oh brother….bob you’re posting on the wrong website, really.

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  10. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 23 August, 2012, 13:15

    US Citizen-have you not figured it out yet-Teddy and Uhaul are one and the same- Uhaul is troll sock puppet for Teddy…..

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  11. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 23 August, 2012, 15:01

    US CITIZEN… your beating on Ulysses is disheartening. What have I done to take such a whipping….the truth?

    Many college graduates are mediocre. I taught lots of them for 19 yrs. A typical class had 5% who dripped of future success!

    As far Europe Italy is my favorite…..

    Only Government Ulysses did was as a military officer….I know you thank me for my service. And…and….34 yrs as a private business owner providing no cubicles or cream puff benefits to Calif public school educated dolts!

    In my spare time I’m an adorable sock puppet for Poodle and Donkey.

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  12. Barb
    Barb 23 August, 2012, 18:17

    Unbelievable! The only solution to any problem the state may have (and there are many) is tax, tax, tax. When are the Democrats going to figure out that CA residents will hitch a ride right out of California and never look back. It’s exhausting to think that the people voted in to manage this state have shown very little regard for common sense. Each day I read articles like these, I am just completely astounded how inept people are. (And to think that CA used to have some of the brightest schools in the country.) Sorry to offend but there is no hope!

    And speaking of jobs, here’s another article on how very expensive Ca will be to live in come Jan.1, 2013 with no prospect of a promising job future:

    http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/tax-369292-california-rate.html

    Just sad!

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  13. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 23 August, 2012, 20:17

    LOL rex poodle thinks I am also queeg, rex poodle and uhaul….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz my god i live in his head!

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  14. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 23 August, 2012, 21:57

    Hi Queeg…err..I mena Teddy 😉

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  15. the Rt Rev Ted Steele
    the Rt Rev Ted Steele 24 August, 2012, 06:46

    you “mena” teddy?

    Mena to mena boo

    Is teddy Queeg

    or am I you?

    Ted– Poet Laureate

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  16. BobA
    BobA 24 August, 2012, 08:01

    To all concerned:

    I was being totally facetious and don’t for a millisecond believe a word of what I said. I was attempting to offer a perspective on the matter from a bleeding heart liberal point of view.

    If that was the prevailing view of most Californians, we would bypass Greece and become Somalia. In fact, I honestly believe that there are a lot of liberals in this state and elsewhere who wouldn’t mind it at all if the democrat party tore up the Constitution, seized control of the government and announced that the U.S. is no longer a constitutional republic but a union of socialist states under the rule of the democrat party.

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  17. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 24 August, 2012, 09:52

    BOBah– You honestly think liberals want the Consitution torn up?

    Who Bobah? And what and when did they say something specifically that makes you think they want it “torn up”?

    Do you have Rushbo on right now?

    My thought is the opposite that it is in fact true liberals like those now on the bench and dating back to Earl Warren that have been in fact protectors of the Bill of Rights…..

    So— please answer the questions….and don’t run away from them as you usually do.

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  18. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 24 August, 2012, 10:00

    Yeah….no more catharsis…..intellects go home!

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  19. That Woman
    That Woman 24 August, 2012, 10:32

    “… tax extension not in the best interest of the community” gets my Understatement of the Week Award.

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  20. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 24 August, 2012, 11:49

    Hi Teddy…err.I mena Queeg 🙂

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  21. Bob A
    Bob A 25 August, 2012, 10:46

    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator:

    Rush is to liberal for my taste. Mark Levin and Dr. Savage is more to my liking. Who do you listen too? Al Sharpton? Saul Alinski? Hugo Chavez? Or do you prefer to just sit and watch the programming on MSNBC 24/7?

    If Libs had their druthers, they would do away with the 2nd, 9th and 10th amendments. And from what Obama is doing, the libs would certainly approve of
    moving article 1 ;sections 1, 7 and 8 from under article 1 and placed under article 2.
    Libs would love better than for the USA to became the United Socialists States of America. They much prefer European socialism of American capitalism. Never mind that Europe is on the verge of collapse because of their socialist economic system. Libs love big government and the bigger the better. Never mind the fact that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have.

    BTW:

    There is no such thing as separation of church & state anywhere in the constitution. People who spout that phrase have never read the constitution and are thus, , ignorant.

    The 1st amendment simply says that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof. That does not prohibit the states from doing so.

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  22. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 25 August, 2012, 16:18

    You’re gonna LOVE this link Teddy, it is to page 6 of the Aug 6, 2012 Stockton BK Order breaking retiree health care for the retirees.

    It says that the Contracts Clause bars STATES from breaking contracts, not the Congress! BAM!!!!! There go the pensions.

    They will make the same ruling on pensions, the contracts clause does not stop the federal courts from breaking those contracts!!!!!

    Read it for yourself!!!!!!! Yipeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Teddy, start the whining B**ch!

    http://htmlimg1.scribdassets.com/21j772wzk01rsel8/images/6-aabd7db15e.jpg

    http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/103708592?access_key=key-1dy4hpxihy8v05oooinc

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  23. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 25 August, 2012, 16:20

    OMG , you should see the trough feedrs melting down over at the Sacbee over this ruling…they have their panties so tight their head is exploding…now they are whining that all the trough feeders need to “call their legislators” and tell them not to let CA mun’s file Bk or they will lose their pensions….hahahhahahahahaha…Oh man, what a bunch of losers!!!

    Read the comments, the trough feeders are blowing gaskets left and right!!!

    http://blogs.sacbee.com/the_state_worker/2012/08/column-extra-judge-says-stockton-bankruptcy-can-break-retiree-health-guaran.html

    It Brings joyful tears to my eyes 🙂

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  24. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 25 August, 2012, 16:27

    Poodle cannot believe someone employed you…..corporate welfare!

    I think you kiss Obama’s ring too!

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  25. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 25 August, 2012, 16:43

    Hi Teddy 🙂

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  26. queeg
    queeg 26 August, 2012, 12:47

    Poodle….stay indoors…..hot in Randsburg these days!

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  27. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 August, 2012, 13:15

    Hi TTTTTeddy 🙂

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  28. The Rt Rev Ted Steele
    The Rt Rev Ted Steele 26 August, 2012, 14:31

    poodle thinks queeg is me— love it….

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  29. queeg
    queeg 26 August, 2012, 14:45

    There is no greater fool than an old desert rat!

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  30. The Rt Rev Ted Steele
    The Rt Rev Ted Steele 26 August, 2012, 15:34

    well said Mr. Me.

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  31. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 August, 2012, 17:09

    Hi Teddy/s 🙂

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  32. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 26 August, 2012, 18:44

    It is crate time!!!

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  33. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 August, 2012, 18:55

    I love crate life!

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  34. The Rt Rev Ted Steele
    The Rt Rev Ted Steele 26 August, 2012, 19:34

    poodle=zzzzzzzzzz same dull mantra

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  35. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 August, 2012, 20:05

    Hi Teddy 🙂

    BK just Broke those “VESTED” healthcare benefits- pensions are

    Teddy THE SKY JUST FELL, ON THE TROUGHIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  36. The Rt Rev Ted Steele
    The Rt Rev Ted Steele 26 August, 2012, 21:43

    go to sleep now little troll…you have a lot of ranting to do in the morning. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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  37. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 August, 2012, 21:48

    Sky fell on healthcare- pensions next! 🙂

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  38. Ted Steele, Janitor
    Ted Steele, Janitor 27 August, 2012, 06:49

    LOL— you will be able to count the bk discharges on one or two hands……..poor jealous troll.

    0 for 9……..lol

    hurry!

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  39. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 27 August, 2012, 11:22

    Nov 6= 10-0 baby..no go back to bed sleepy troll.

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  40. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 27 August, 2012, 11:23

    BTW Baby Einstein, in the future no muni will NEED to file BK, all they have to do is say “you troughies are taking pay and benefit cuts or we WILL file BK”, the threat alone will make the troughies tremble in fear 🙂

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  41. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 27 August, 2012, 11:28

    Bwahahahahah….lol…….

    still 0 for 9……lol

    hurry!!!

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  42. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 27 August, 2012, 11:29

    Hey Poodle— how did the oc cops do on that lawsuit? I forget?

    Oh man this is easy!

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  43. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 27 August, 2012, 11:36

    LOL—- Rex Poodle—– Wasn’t this the case you predicted that would be won at …
    1. Trial?
    2. App Court?
    3. Supreme Court?

    Oh Yeeeeeah— you lost in ALL three places! That must’ve been uncomfortable for you the way you trumpeted victory for all those months….mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 0 for 9 baby….lol

    SAN FRANCISCO – After taking only 6 working days to deliberate, the California State Supreme Court today unanimously rejected the County of Orange’s appeal of their lawsuit to overturn 3% at 50 pension benefits for Orange County Deputy Sheriffs (COUNTY OF ORANGE v. ASSOCIATION OF ORANGE COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFFS et al., Case #S191218).

    The unanimous decision brings to a close an over three-year, $2.5+ million dollar legal effort by County Supervisor John Moorlach and his former Chief of Staff and “legal advisor,” Mario Mainero, to roll back the pensions of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs.

    The County of Orange filed their controversial lawsuit in February 2008, despite having three different outside law firms they had hired for legal counsel, warn them they could not win such a case. They were thrown out of Superior Court twice in 2009 without even a trial and unanimously thrown out of Appellate Court on a 3 – 0 vote this last January.

    All six of the State Supreme Court justices (there is presently one vacancy) were appointed by Republican governors. They had 90 days to decide whether to take the case up and formally review the Appellate Court’s decision. They came to a quick, unanimous decision in only 6 working days.

    “The Board of Directors of AOCDS and I have been telling the County Board of Supervisors for almost four years now that they didn’t have a case and could not win such a lawsuit,” said Wayne Quint, President of the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs (AOCDS). “We repeatedly told them at every turn of their effort that they were wrong on the facts and wrong on the law.”

    “John Moorlach and Mario Mainero owe the taxpayers of Orange County a formal apology. They have spent over $2.5 million in public funds on a political vendetta that their own attorneys told them right from the beginning they could not win.”

    “The Deputy Sheriffs Association now plans to file in court for complete payment of our four years worth of attorneys fees for this frivolous, mean spirited lawsuit. By the time everything is over, the vindictive political judgment of John Moorlach and Mario Mainero will have cost the County a tremendous amount of time and money. It is both sad and unfortunate – and a textbook example of abuse of our legal system.”

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  44. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 27 August, 2012, 22:43

    I am 10-0 BABY 🙂

    Nov 6 when the pension tax is DOA’d, I will be 11-0.

    And when the BK court strikes down Stockton’s PENSIONS, it will be 12-0.

    You can’t match me for being on the money Teddy-you know that:)

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