Brown official: You’re our slave

Fight the powerJan. 26, 2013

By John Seiler

If you listen closely, sometimes government officials tell you what they really think of you. Concerning the controversy over whether golfer Phil Mickelson might leave California because of the massive Proposition 30 tax increase, Gov. Jerry Brown’s press secretary, Gil Duran, said: “We have to look beyond our personal interests to where we are going as a society.”

Translation: As a taxpayer, you’re the slave of government.

“look beyond our personal interests” means government orders, you obey.

“where we are going” means where your master, government, orders you to go as a slave.

“as a society” means you have no freedom, but are just a slave on the Big Government Plantation, where “society” takes care of all your needs, makes sure you don’t hurt yourself or somebody else and properly distributes all the fruits of your labor.

You really don’t have any money, because all your money belongs to government. They just dole it out to you. Everybody, essentially, is given EBT cards by government. Those on welfare get EBT cards they use, paid for by the rest of us.

But the rest of us — the taxpayers — are doled back a little, EBT-card fashion, from our own money, the rest of which is enjoyed you our masters. That amount is decided by “society” — that is, by government masters like Brown and Duran.

And of course, those who run the “society” get massive compensation at our expense.

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  1. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 January, 2013, 12:06

    People are living out of shopping carts and scrounging for food. But, poor Phil is only going to have 19 million dollars a year left, after he pays the tax man. He can take up life in Switzerland like Tina Turner.

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  2. Mark Langlois
    Mark Langlois 26 January, 2013, 12:54

    As one of those people who has lived out of shopping carts and dumpsters:
    …. The reason California is poor is because it treats people who have the means to create jobs like [expletive deleted] and chases them out of the state. What do you propose? Stringing up barbed wire and guards at the border to keep people IN?
    I would rather be free and living in a dumpster than have to put up with that garbage any day. The faster everyone with any sense gets out of California, the better off Texas, Arizona, North Dakota and everyone else will be. California needs to fail badly, and sink into total poverty and humiliation and join the rest of the failed states like Illinois.

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  3. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 January, 2013, 14:11

    People are living out of shopping carts and scrounging for food. But, poor Public Safety Employees are now only going to have $5-$12 million dollar pensions to live on for the next 35 years. Maybe they can take up life in Switzerland like Tina Turner.

    🙂

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  4. jimmydeeoc
    jimmydeeoc 26 January, 2013, 15:33

    Seesaw’s typical robotic response, implanted by her puppeteers at MSNBC.

    How much DO you suggest the government take, Seesaw? All but, say, a million a year? I think everyone could live just fine on a million a year…..I know I could…….and I bet you could too! So be it decreed: Phil should send $49 million to Jerry and Barry, and he gets to keep the one million. Sound OK, Seesaw?

    So long as there is one single person clinging to a shopping cart, Liberals will never, ever be happy. Never.

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  5. NTHEOC
    NTHEOC 26 January, 2013, 16:23

    Mark Langlois says,
    The reason California is poor is because it treats people who have the means to create jobs like [expletive deleted]
    =========================
    The corporations treat the workers like(expletive deleted)! The only jobs they really dream of creating are ones down in child labor sweatshops of indonesia!! Anything these corporate slobs can do to maxamise profits!!

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  6. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 26 January, 2013, 16:50

    The corporations treat the workers like(expletive deleted)! The only jobs they really dream of creating are ones down in child labor sweatshops of indonesia!! Anything these corporate slobs can do to maximize profits!!
    ==
    Then why don’t YOU do something about it?? When are YOU going to go create some jobs?????

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  7. David in Irvine
    David in Irvine 26 January, 2013, 17:22

    The goals and motives of the California State government are so distant from those which animated the creation of the California Republic and inspired the Bear Flag that we ought to insist that new symbolism be created for the state flag. I would propose that a hybrid of the SEIU emblem and the Mexican flag fly over the state Capitol. The latter not as an ethnic or nationalist statement but as acknowledgement that the Despotism of the Mexican government in Alta California that motivated the Sonoma revolutionaries of 1846 is now the dominant and preferred vision of the current regime.

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  8. us citizen
    us citizen 26 January, 2013, 17:23

    Seesaw……..it is none of your business who makes what and how much they keep. We are NOT all equal, either financially or intellectually. And it is not a millionaires duty to take care of anyone but themselves.

    What you are saying is ………well he makes more than me…..whine whine whine……..so he OWES me. What a crock of BS.

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  9. NTHEOC
    NTHEOC 26 January, 2013, 18:23

    us citizen says,
    What you are saying is ………well he makes more than me…..whine whine whine……..so he OWES me. What a crock of BS.
    ====================
    What’s the difference? You people whine,whine,whine about our pensions and benefits. Why do we deserve a pension,why do we get this and that and not you!!! That’s right us cit,We are NOT all equal!! The rich will always find a way to cheat paying their fair share!!! Remember this, where there is a millionaire there is a crime!!!!!

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  10. CalWatchdog
    CalWatchdog Author 26 January, 2013, 18:28

    NTHEOC: “Where there’s a millionaire there’s a crime!!!!!”

    Oh, sure. In Calif., if you own your own home free and clear, you’re already at about $550,000. Save a little and you’re the “millionaire next door.”

    And I’ll bet retired public employees have a higher percentage of millionaires than do the rest of us. Their pensions alone, if independent funds, commonly are well over $1 million.

    — John Seiler

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  11. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 January, 2013, 21:09

    Not at all US Citizen! I want people to have jobs and make money. I have no resentment of Phil Michelson, or his ilk at all. Just saying: He makes 60 million a year and will have 19 million a year clear. If I were in his shoes, I would feel pretty silly, complaining about my taxes. He and the others are fine. I am worried about those who are unemployed, “Yes”. You and your ilk are so pathetic! You take anything that is said in defense of those who are in need and twist and spin it around to make yourselves look good.

    And Rex, what a pathetic whiner you are! Everything you say is a lie! I should go to Switzerland and live like Tina Turner–Oh sure! Whatever it was that happened to you when you couldn’t get a public job, you better get beyond it and start to live your own life instead of being so resentful of others, who might have gotten a better deal than you did.

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  12. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 January, 2013, 21:16

    US Citizen: Yes it is the millionaire’s duty to help others. I am not a millionaire, and I feel it is my duty to help others. That is what we should give back for the priviledge of living in America. And it is a priviledge! If you don’t believe that, try another country that you think will be more suited to you.

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  13. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 January, 2013, 21:17

    I would guess that Phil Michelson gives plenty to Charity–most decent millionaires do.

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  14. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 January, 2013, 21:24

    I do own my own home free and clear, Mr. Seiler. It is a 1955 tract house and far below the value of $550,000. I will never be a millionaire, and most public retirees never will be either. Ninety eight percent of public retirees have modest pensions that are taken up with the cost of living and health care, just like every other poor and middle-class citizen, regardless of what they did or a living.

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  15. Douglas
    Douglas 26 January, 2013, 21:47

    ” The four-time major champion said higher state and federal taxes will take 60 percent of his income.”

    Don’t believe it.

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  16. DavidfromLosGatos
    DavidfromLosGatos 26 January, 2013, 23:24

    Phil should have moved quietly, and never said a word. Thousands of US citizens move between the 50 states every day. No big deal. He is bummed that such a nice place as CA has to be the worst place to live, tax-wise. So am I, but just get on with it and move. Perhaps someday California will figure out it is better off not being so hostile to financially successful people, in which case, he can move back. And if they don’t, was not meant to be.

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  17. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 27 January, 2013, 09:33

    Douglas says:
    ” The four-time major champion said higher state and federal taxes will take 60 percent of his income.”
    Don’t believe it.

    I hate it agree with Doug (it kills me!) but he is correct, if Lefty is paying 60%+ in taxes, with all of his write-offs, he is an idiot, or his tax advisor is.

    Now having said that, whatever he IS paying in CA is 13.3% HIGHER than in NV, AZ TX and other states with no income tax.

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  18. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 27 January, 2013, 09:34

    Douglas says:
    ” The four-time major champion said higher state and federal taxes will take 60 percent of his income.”
    Don’t believe it.

    I hate it agree with Doug (it kills me!) but he is correct, if Lefty is paying 60%+ in taxes, with all of his write-offs, he is an idiot, or his tax advisor is.

    Now having said that, whatever he IS paying in CA is 13.3% HIGHER than in NV, AZ TX and other states with no income tax.

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  19. Douglas
    Douglas 27 January, 2013, 11:13

    13.3 is the marginal rate. The effective rate is much lower. Lower still after federal write-offs.

    Even so, with his income he will probably save millions in state income tax.

    Question: if he continues to golf, does he not pay California tax on any income or winnings earned in California?

    I don’t follow golf and never heard of Phil Mickelson till this week. Whatever he decides to do, I wish him the best.

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  20. Hondo
    Hondo 27 January, 2013, 17:43

    All you fine liberals here should volunteer to pay extra taxes since you love them so much.
    Hondo…

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  21. SkippingDog
    SkippingDog 27 January, 2013, 23:11

    We did, Hondo. We all voted in favor of Proposition 30.

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  22. @SoquelCreek
    @SoquelCreek 28 January, 2013, 14:02

    Rex the Wonder Dog! and Douglas are right that Mickelson will likely pay less than the 13.3% marginal tax rate. However, based on actual Franchise Board Tax (FTB) data, Mickelson will likely pay a SIGNIFICANTLY higher tax rate and SIGNIFICANTLY more taxes than the vast majority of Californians. This chart uses 2008 data when the top rate was 10.3% instead of 13.3%.

    CHART: Averaged Effective Tax Rate for California Personal Income Tax (2008)
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sxbJ_FVETsg/ToyMdvgYb8I/AAAAAAAAAog/KwqkPpj9B40/s1600/Average+Effective+Tax+Rate+California+Personal+Income+Tax+2008.png

    So, let’s ask the question. Who is paying their “fair share” of federal and California taxes? Who is contributing their “fair share” to the “where we are going as a society.” Some people don’t have money but do have ample time. Then, there are those in California society that contribute neither time nor money but merely consume both from fellow citizens. Some are truly disabled and incapable and we should help these people. Others are able-bodied but feel comfortable living off the efforts of others.

    See also …

    “Who Pays Their ‘Fair Share’ in California?”
    http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2011/10/who-pays-their-fair-share-in-california.html

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  23. @SoquelCreek
    @SoquelCreek 28 January, 2013, 14:44

    To better understand Jerry Brown’s view of the world, I recommend reading his own words. Here are a few memorable quotes from Jerry Brown’s radio program called “We the People” from 1995. The entire transcript is available here. It provides a glimpse of his world view and others in the California Democratic Party, many of whom would be more appropriately called Democratic Socialists, as in the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).
    http://www.omsys.com/jeremy/welfare.htm

    I quote:

    “We need more welfare and fewer jobs. Jobs for every American is doomed to failure because of modern automation and production. We ought to recognize it and create an income-maintenance system so every single American has the dignity and the wherewithal for shelter, basic food, and medical care. I’m talking about welfare for all. Without it, you’re going to have warfare for all. Without a universal health care like every other civilized country, without a minimum level of income, this country will explode.”

    … or …

    “Automation and technology would be a great boon if it were creative, if there were more leisure, more opportunity to engage in raising a family, providing guidance to the young, all the stuff we say we need. America will work if we’re all in it together. It’ll work when there’s a shared sense of destiny. It can be done! It’s all there! What isn’t there is the leadership to create the kind of social network, the safety net, the distribution that would truly create a just and equal society. If it were, you wouldn’t have the homeless sleeping in the park across from the White House in a neighborhood with one of the highest incarceration and crime rates in the world.”

    … or …

    “First, expose relentlessly the big lie that comes over the tube every night, that if you just go out and find that job, and work harder, it’ll all be fine. It won’t! … There’s not enough work to go around and a lot of the pay is not fair.”

    Remember, he wrote this in 1995, before the PC/telecom/Internet revolution and before the Clinton economic expansion that Democrats constantly crow about. Strangely, California under decades of Democratic Party rule is probably farther away from Jerry Brown’s vision of American than many other states.

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  24. Douglas
    Douglas 28 January, 2013, 20:03

    Jerry had a good point. It should be looked at more closely. Two hundred years ago, eighty some percent of jobs were in agriculture. Now it’s less than two percent.

    We don’t say “we need more agriculture jobs”, why do we say we need more “good paying” manufacturing jobs?

    Fifty years ago, most wives did not work outside the home. Now, if they lose a job, they are part of the ‘unemployment’ problem.

    Perhaps we should consider “paying” more people to stay out of the job market, much like we pay farmers NOT to produce, in order to bolster crop prices.

    Trying to force people into the labor market when they are really not needed for production, transportation, or services leads to a needless waste of resources and drives down the wages for everyone else in the market.

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  25. Ftheunions
    Ftheunions 29 January, 2013, 19:32

    Seesaw, I would guess that those pushing shopping carts are pushing shopping carts because they were reckless and made a series of bad decisions. People who make one bad decision typically don’t end up pushing shopping carts–it’s those who make many bad decisions that you see on the streets. It takes a lot to end up on the streets and that’s often where they prefer to be. But if you have feelings of altruism, feel free to invite them into your home.

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