Greenhut on chickens and inmates

Greenhut on chickens and inmates

Steven Greenhut, the founder of, has begun his new column with the UT San Diego. It will be appearing Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. Bookmark the location:

prison - california department of corrections photoHe’ll be writing from Sacramento on state policy.

His first column is on the prison strike, “Do you value chickens over inmates?” Excerpt:

“But the vast majority of the hunger-striking prisoners are there for indeterminate sentences — not as the result of a disciplinary action, but because prison authorities say that they have gang affiliations. Mainly, prison authorities keep the prisoners there until they are “debriefed,” i.e., turn in other prisoners as fellow gang-bangers. Few inmates are likely to do so given the severe consequences in the prison yard, so they languish in these cells for years. The ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties believes prison authorities may rely on these cells because of so much overcrowding throughout the prisons.

“According to the Center for Constitutional Rights, more than 500 prisoners at Pelican Bay have been in such cells for more than a decade, and 78 for more than two decades. Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Irvine School of Law, told me that “indefinite days of solitary confinement are cruel and unusual punishment.” It’s hard not to agree, even though these prisoners are unsympathetic characters.”


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  1. The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit
    The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit 26 July, 2013, 09:11

    Cherminisky and I guess fellow traveler Greenster allow the moral constituency to pass from victim to perp.
    The same old dull normal trance dance that the great unwashed masses do. Like the slack jawed juror with buyer’s remorse in Treyvon’s case.
    These inmates all have horrible crimes under their belts with real victims. The crimes often create hell for wide swaths of family members of the victims over lifetimes. Often unimaginable suffering is inflicted by these hungry scholars.
    ALL of the crimes done to “put in work” for the gang lifestyle. Their crimes reach prison and then snake back out to the street as they “call shots” from the taxpayer paid gladiator schools in central and northern California.

    When they are let out of their cells even for a minute they stab guards and other inmates.

    So— they live in a one man cell and can’t “socialize” with each other like Dantes Inferno.

    Who cares?

    Edwin C and his pals do…….what a joke. I guess there are a few CWD ers that have inmate love too….

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  2. Let It Collapse
    Let It Collapse 26 July, 2013, 10:14

    Look, do you realize how many people make their living off American prisons? Judges, lawyers, wardens, cops, prison management, jail guards, probation and parole officers, counselors, educators, health care professionals, food service workers, construction workers, janitors, etc…and all draw big pensions. It’s a billion dollar plus industry for millions who profit off it.

    Now, do you know what the per capita prison population is for various nations for every 100,000 of their respective citizen populations?

    The USA, by far, leads the way with 716. Some other examples: Cuba: 510; Russia: 484; El Salvador: 425; Brazil: 274; Mexico: 209; Turkey: 171; Saudi: 162; China: 121; Germany: 80; Sweden: 67.

    So from this information a reasonable man must draw one of two conclusions: (1) Either America is full of some really bad and evil people who deserve to be incarcerated, as compared to people in the rest of the world; or (2) That we have a very unjust and unfair prison system that jails people for things that should not be jailable offenses, whereby other people use them to profit and line their own pockets.

    I think this is plain common sense and I am surprised that I don’t see journalists don’t write about it more often from this standpoint.

    We are, after all, supposed to be the beacon of freedom, fairness and open communication.

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  3. The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit
    The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit 26 July, 2013, 11:19

    Yes we spend alot on prisons. We have alot of crime.

    Mr. Let it collapse— I wonder what your theory of penalogy is? Sounds kinda weak judging from your screen name.

    This thread is about the super elite class of dangerous inmates housed at Pel. Bay—Did you want to let them out? What should we tell the new victims and survivors of their new and future carnage?Or maybe your theory of penalogy involves magic dust, when, if sprinkled lightly over the inmate will force them to comply with the law upon their release?


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  4. The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit
    The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit 26 July, 2013, 11:57

    Penology—-sheeeeeesh I had to look it up!

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  5. Let It Collapse
    Let It Collapse 26 July, 2013, 13:26

    Mr. Steele,

    With all due respect, you failed to address the point of my comment which was that the US prison system is a hugh moneymaker for millions of people and that US incarceration rates are the HIGHEST in the world – overshadowing nations like Russia and Cuba – and completely dwarfing nations like Mexico, China and Germany.

    I gave 2 very likely reasons for it. Pick one.

    I said nothing about letting all the prisoners out. But I do want prison reform to bring us into line with the rest of the world.

    I don’t think that’s asking too much.

    But thanks for your reply.

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  6. The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit
    The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit 26 July, 2013, 15:10

    Mr. Let it Collapse–

    Of course I answered your question. I refer you to the first line, second sentence of mny post. Please review it.

    The logical extreme of your “let it collapse” argument is of course let the crooks out of prison.And this thread is about Pel Bay– these guys are the worst of the worst– YOU obviously want to let them out somewhere, treatment? Work release? Tea, crumpets and meditation sessions? I don’t know…..pick one.

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  7. Let It Collapse
    Let It Collapse 26 July, 2013, 15:44

    Sorry, Mr. Steele.

    You did not address the truthisms found in my comment. Again, look at the per capita incarceration rates on a global scale. Why is America so much higher than ALL the rest??? Hmmm??? Why??? Do we have a disproportional number of really bad people deserving of jail in America compared to ALL the other nations???

    Answer that question. If you say “yes” then I will accept your answer even if I disagree with you. I will not challenge your answer. But answer you must to retain credibility with me on our first meeting.

    Thank you.

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  8. Donkey
    Donkey 26 July, 2013, 21:42

    Teddy Steals, the PIC is a RAGWUS scam, as is all things done by government. The U.S. has more people in prison because the RAGWUS feeders see money in it, most civilized nations do not!! 🙂

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  9. Rex the Wonderdog!
    Rex the Wonderdog! 27 July, 2013, 08:09

    These inmates all have horrible crimes under their belts with real victims. -=================
    No ted, actually the MAJORITY, something like 70%+, have only DRUG convictions “ender their belts”… you never fail to amaze us with your 3rd grade stoopidity.

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  10. Rex the Wonderdog!
    Rex the Wonderdog! 27 July, 2013, 08:11

    And this thread is about Pel Bay– these guys are the worst of the worst –

    More nonsense from that crack jacks prize, wannabe legal scholar on CWD! There are hundreds or prisoners at the Pelican Bay SHU that was only SUSPECTE of being gang affiliated. To get validated as a gang member in our GED educated CO prison system all you need is something as little as a tattoo.

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  11. Rex the Wonderdog!
    Rex the Wonderdog! 27 July, 2013, 08:13

    The Ted Steele Conceptual Abstraction Unit says: July 26, 2013 at 11:19 am Yes we spend alot on prisons. We have alot of crime.


    LOL…more Teddy Nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love it.

    No, what we have are $200K per year GED educated “correctional officers” who would have trouble getting hired at Jack in the Box and minimum wage in real life. THAT is why the system is out of control.

    Thanks for playing Teddy as it never gets old schooling you and your GED educated brain your pal RTWD! 🙂

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  12. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 27 July, 2013, 09:05

    Mr. Let it Col.— Excluding the dope law fiasco— I give you that…..YES—– we have better law enforcement and a strange society/more bad people– guns are everywhere, we have an epidemic of diseases of affluence and we worship the dollar in a stratified society of haves and have nots. These are just a few of the reasons our prisons are full. Your observations are only looking at symptoms not the root. Wendall Barry once wrote…”movements that don’t address root causes are doomed to fail…”

    Good Luck.

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  13. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 27 July, 2013, 09:06

    mmmmm little bit of a MELT DOWN ™! Poodle?

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  14. Let It Collapse
    Let It Collapse 27 July, 2013, 09:45

    Imagine if America implemented some serious prison reform and reduced our prison population from 716 per 100,000 to that of Mexico (209 per 100,000). Any idea how many gravy jobs would get eliminated? And not just jail management and jail guards. But all the support services necessary to maintain a national prison population of over 2 million (when China with a population 4 times the size of ours only has 1 milion)? Small cities would go bankrupt overnight. This is why America must continue to jail people at the drop of a hat at the same rate that Stalin put people away in his gulags back in the day. Rich nations have money to burn. Our global neighbors must use more discretion with their limited wealth. But the chickens will come home to roost sooner or later in America too. Then some tough decision will have to be made. And if there was fairness, justice and equity in our corrections system they’d hook up the gang members who wear shirts, ties and skirts in Scramento for transport to Pelican Bay too! Bad boy bad boy…whatcha goin’ do? Whatcha goin’ do when they come for you?

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  15. Ted
    Ted 27 July, 2013, 13:13

    Imagine the costs these serious criminals extract from victims
    In grief,pain and money. Im glad the worst are behind bars.

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  16. Donkey
    Donkey 29 July, 2013, 23:11

    But the worst are not behind bars Steals, to have the worst behind bars we would have the RAGWUS thieves in their proper place, prison. 🙂

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  17. Donkey
    Donkey 30 July, 2013, 09:04

    Teddy, such a RAGWUS feeder, nothing gets in his way of taking other peoples freedom or money!! 🙂

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  18. Let It Collapse
    Let It Collapse 30 July, 2013, 10:22

    Ted, so we in America have over 500 more per capita citizens deserving of jail than those folks in Mexico? Have you heard about all the murders and crime in Mexico? Yet they only incarcerate 209 citizens per every 100,000 while we in America jail 716 citizens per every 100,000.

    How could you look at those numbers without a smirk on your face?

    The US prison system is a huge employment scam for the public worker extractors who siphon dollars from our pocketbooks.

    I know that’s hard for some of you to digest. But it’s the honest to God truth. Deal with it.

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  19. Ted Steele, The Decider
    Ted Steele, The Decider 30 July, 2013, 19:16

    Mexico isn’t arresting the crooks– do you know why?

    This is a test– waiting for your reply.

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