‘Ghost guns’ could be an apparition in CA

‘Ghost guns’ could be an apparition in CA

When 3D-printed guns first emerged on the scene, many predicted the “ghost guns” could render the regulation of guns pointless.


The creation of the 3-D gun is only about one year old. The first 3D-printed gun initially was fired in the spring of 2013.

3D printers are $10,000 machines that can use digital designs to build a variety of devices out of thousands of layers of hard plastic.

The homemade plastic gun, known as the “Liberator .380,” is made with a computer blueprint, a 3-D printer and plastic resin.

Law enforcement says plastic guns can pass through security checkpoints without setting off metal detectors. “They are so frightening because they render most standard detection useless,” said Tim Murphy, former deputy director of the FBI, in a Dallas News story.

It will be difficult to keep tabs on firearms that are made at home using 3-D printer. But SB 808, by Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, requires a person to obtain a serial number from the California Department of Justice, and submit to a background check, prior to making a ghost gun.

It is already against the law to have an undetectable gun that could go through security monitors without being seen. That law was passed in In 1988 in the U.S. Congress under the Undetectable Firearms Act.

De Leon stressed SB 808 does not ban the ghost guns. “There is a loophole in the law for homemade guns,” de Leon said. “Ghost guns have fallen into the hands of criminals.”

Plastic guns

In the 1980s, the U.S. Congress looked into an Austrian-made Glock made of polymer plastic that opponents claimed was undetectable in airport screenings. Some cities, including, New York City, banned the Glock.

But according to Popular Mechanics:

“Airport security machines did detect the Glock because they’re mostly X-ray machines, and X-rays see plastic just the way they see metal. Moreover, by weight, the Glock is actually mostly metal anyway. The slide is made out of steel, so if you do have a magnetometer, it should detect that slide. And if someone is staring at it and knows what they’re looking for, they should be able to see it. This was a huge embarrassment for gun-control forces and a huge boon for Glock. There is no better way in the United States to get attention for a gun than to suggest it’s extremely potent and effective.”

Crime is not due to homemade guns

“The crime happening in the state is not due to homemade guns,” said Sen. Steve Knight, R-Antelope Valley, a former police officer. Knight explained most people are not able to tell the difference between homemade and undetectable guns.

“Somewhere along the path we’ve lost our way,” said state Sen. Joel Anderson, R-El Cajon. “We look at all guns as evil, not at criminals.”

Anderson said only law-abiding citizens will pay attention to the law. “Gangbangers will not. 3-D printers are available in some libraries. This is just more minutia The real problem is that gang members and criminals are out there. We’re not doing anything to collect their guns. But we are truing to collect the guns of law-abiding citizens.”

Anderson advocated focusing on serious policies that might reduce crime rather than going after guns.

De Leon said that, because Congress failed to pass gun control legislation last year, “We can act” in California.

SB 808 passed the state Senate, 21-9.


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  1. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 4 February, 2014, 10:00

    All this is so stupid. Have the 20,000 gun laws on the books stopped gun violence. Of course not. It’s only increased. Look at all the strict guns laws imposed by the City of Chicago, even banning the carry or possession of guns. It remained the city with the highest rate of gun violence in the nation.

    The problem with all these stupid laws is that CRIMINAL IGNORE THEM!!! HELLO??? Laws should SPECIFICALLY target criminals. Enhance laws against the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime. Throw them in jail forever. But leave the common law-abiding citizen alone already!!! This is more a war on the law-abiding citizens than on the criminal element!!!

    There are 300,000,000 firearms in America. There are about 11,000 homicides a year. Approximately 0.004% of firearms are used in a murder annually! IOW’s 99.996% of US firearms are NOT used to murder someone in a given year!!!

    Stop penalizing good, law-abiding American citizens who follow your laws. Go after the bad guys who actually use guns to hurt other people!!!

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    • Donkey
      Donkey 4 February, 2014, 11:35

      Sorry LIC, but the war on the American citizen by government has been going on for the last thirty years. According to the LE RAGWUS, IRS, NSA, and all the politicians every citizen not connected to a government bureaucracy is a criminal that just hasn’t been charged yet. 🙂

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      • LetitCollapse
        LetitCollapse 4 February, 2014, 13:29

        And there’s a reason for it, Donkey. They want to condition you, the average citizen, to believe that 6 big cops can hold down and brutally bust up the facial bones of an unarmed, frail, vulnerable, homeless schizophrenic, murder him, get away with it and there’s nothing you can do about it. You have to helplessly stand on the sidelines and just accept it. This is precisely the way the Nazi’s conditioned the german people. Stand by and watch. But don’t you dare intervene. We are the authorities. We know best. We’re here to make you safer.

        What they’re doing is conditioning the population with a well-known law of psychology described as “learned helplessness”.

        Basically, ‘learned helplessness’ is a behaviorial phenonomenon whereby
        the victim (animals or humans) are are repeatedly subjected to unwanted aversive stimuli from which it can’t escape. Eventually the victim stops trying to avoid the stimuli and utterly surrenders and act ‘helpless’ to change the situtation. Depression normally sets in. This is the uncanny part: EVEN WHEN PRESENTED WITH OPPORTUNITIES TO ESCAPE THE VICTIM REMAINS IMMOBILE AND TOLERATES THE PAIN.

        This is what I believe the American psyche is undergoing. This is why I feel there is so much complicity and tolerance: Learned Helplessness.

        Learned helplessness occurs when an animal is repeatedly subjected to an aversive stimulus that it cannot escape. Eventually, the animal will stop trying to avoid the stimulus and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation. Even when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness will prevent any action.

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        • ModerateSense
          ModerateSense 24 February, 2014, 10:14

          I don’t see anything wrong with the beating of an unruly, homeless, schizophrenic person. What was that person doing for society? Let police do their job and thank them for protecting you, your family and property.

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    • ModerateSense
      ModerateSense 24 February, 2014, 10:12

      Gun violence has decreased dramatically. Most likely because the average law abiding citizen is allowed to arm themselves for protection and criminals are afraid of that fact.

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  2. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 4 February, 2014, 19:55

    The smother brothers took over this thread…..who reads this stuff?

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  3. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 4 February, 2014, 22:11

    Give us a break……smothering us.

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  4. Hondo
    Hondo 5 February, 2014, 09:46

    Donkey is nearly right when he says that the govt considers every citizen a criminal who just haven’t been charged yet. With the hundreds of thousands of laws and regulations on the state, local and in the IRS code, it is impossible for even the most law abiding citizen to not break a law sometime.
    Editors: Once again, Ulysses says nothing to the subject at hand. He just calls people names. When was the last time he posted anything but a ‘hate’ comment, attacking intelligence of other commentators.

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  5. supriya
    supriya 10 January, 2017, 01:51

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