CA secessionists raise eyebrows with Russia ties

 

The campaign to place California secession on the ballot next election year entered uncertain waters as news broke that its mastermind lives and works in a city in the center of Russia. 

“I immigrated to California, and I consider myself to be a Californian,” Louis Marinelli told The California Report from his Yekaterinburg apartment, KQED reported. “I wanted to handle some personal issues in my family, regarding immigration. My wife is from Russia. I’m here handling various personal issues. But at the same time, we have some political goals we can achieve while I’m here.” 

From founding to funding

Marinelli’s deep Russian ties, past and present, attracted attention as he took his current stay in the country as an opportunity to start work on a so-called “embassy of California” in Moscow. That undertaking, as Bloomberg noted, has the aid of “a vehemently anti-American group supported by the Kremlin” — the Anti-Globalist Movement of Russia — which Marinelli said supports California’s right to self-determination. “Talking to the Russian tabloid Life, Alexander Ionov, the president of the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia, said that the embassy would serve as a hub to boost tourism and foster cultural and economic exchanges between the Golden State and Russia,” Heat Street reported

“We may disagree on several issues, but if we have common ground on one issue, why shouldn’t we have a dialogue?” Marinelli asked Bloomberg. But he has already begun to hit against the limits of that rhetoric. 

“Marinelli’s Russian connection has created a schism, if not quite the Great Schism, in the breakaway movement with members of the California National Party, a group that is formally affiliated with Yes California but has publicly disavowed Marinelli as a Russian marionette. Silicon Valley investor and Hyperloop co-founder Shervin Pishevar briefly became another standard-bearer of ‘Calexit,’ as it come to be known, threatening Marinelli’s virtual monopoly on the cause, but backed off, saying he didn’t really support secession.”

The Trump factor

But crisis management was not the only reason Yes California accelerated its timetable to land their initiative on the California ballot in 2018. (According to the prospective measure’s language, voting yes “would trigger a special election the following March in which residents would decide if ‘California should become a free, sovereign and independent country,'” as the San Jose Mercury News observed.) Donald Trump’s election provoked a degree of dismay among some California Democrats intense enough to suggest a secessionist movement could take advantage while passions remained relatively hot.

“It wasn’t until Trump’s victory last month that mainstream U.S. outlets — including the Sacramento Bee, the L.A. Times and NPR — covered the group more seriously,” KQED noted. “The story got new legs because several influential tech figures took to Twitter to voice their desire for California to leave the union after Trump’s election. Among them was Shervin Pishevar, an investor and co-founder of Hyperloop One, a startup promoting a futuristic new transportation technology.”

Although no elected officials have promoted the breakaway effort, tempers have flared around the idea that a Trump presidency would try to stymie state Democrats, seen by many party members nationwide as a progressive vanguard on social and environmental issues. 

In a recent San Francisco speech before the American Geophysical Union, for instance, Gov. Jerry Brown vowed to press ahead with the state’s current climate policy regardless of what happens in Washington. “If Trump turns off the satellites, California will launch its own damn satellite,” he said, according to the IBTimes. “We’ve got the scientists, we’ve got the lawyers and we’re ready to fight.” 

Rough going

Despite the flurry of attention, from Russia, Marinelli’s personal political reach in California was likely to remain limited. To date, his track record has been spotty. He “filed a handful of statewide ballot measures related to secession in 2015 and none qualified for the November ballot,” the Sacramento Bee recalled. “He also waged an unsuccessful campaign to represent state Assembly District 80, but didn’t advance beyond the June primary.”

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  1. Bill - San Jose
    Bill - San Jose 22 December, 2016, 08:26

    CA seceded years ago thanks to Abel Maldonado and those commies who supported an open primary.

    Remember, if not for CA, Trump wins the popular vote by 1.4M.

    Salut! to comrades (quoting Queeg)

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  2. FDMF
    FDMF 22 December, 2016, 09:59

    Support California Secession Ballot Measure! Go. Please. Sooner better than later. Help California liberals show the world the glories to be gained by establishing a separate California Nation. That is, a laid-back, drug addled, multi-cultural politically-correct progressive liberal neo-socialist Paradise in which liberty is not located in the mind but in the genitalia, and freedom of speech will be equally disallowed if it “offends” any person (excepting only speech denouncing blue-collar working class white male heterosexuals). Go California Nation! Now!

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    • Standing Fast
      Standing Fast 22 December, 2016, 11:06

      No, no! Fight for California to stay in the Union! Stay means a chance to make things better. Go means we will end up like Cuba. There are a lot of Liberty-loving Americans living in California and I, for one, do not want to have to move somewhere else. But, I guess I will have to if California secedes.

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  3. Spurwing Plover
    Spurwing Plover 22 December, 2016, 13:39

    Let them below the state of Jefferson seced let them become part of mexico they can have Hollyweed Lost Angleworms and San Franfreakhole as well as Sacrapmento

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  4. Queeg
    Queeg 22 December, 2016, 19:31

    Comrades

    You will learn to love Borst with dark rye bread and salted butter.

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    • Standing Fast
      Standing Fast 23 December, 2016, 11:48

      Borst isn’t too bad if it is cooked with salt pork and cabbage or something. But, you don’t have to be Russian to love borst. It is already a favorite ethnic food in parts of the United States.

      Of course, if California secedes maybe we can take the American Revolution to Siberia and start a secession movement there. Hey, we could have a lot of fun making life miserable for communist bullies.

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  5. Sam
    Sam 23 December, 2016, 02:26

    So neoliberals insist that brexit is bad but Calexit is acceptable…oh the hypocrisy!

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  6. Spurwing Plover
    Spurwing Plover 23 December, 2016, 07:18

    Californias state bird maybe just a little quail but at least it has more gumption then all those turkeys living in Sacramento(Moonbeam Brown)and Hollywood as well

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  7. El Polacko
    El Polacko 23 December, 2016, 08:39

    Coastal California seems bound & determined to turn itself into the “New Cuba”, but I’m thinking the Trump Voting counties in the Central Valley, Inland Empire and the high country might not be so anxious to participate.

    Secession remains a pipe dream, and if Trump makes good on his economic plans, California will lose what few manufacturing and extractive businesses that remains was hey cash in by moving to more commerce friendly neighboring states.

    With CALPERS pension obligations starting to hit the fan, a reality check is right around the corner.

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  8. Rally Sally
    Rally Sally 23 December, 2016, 09:00

    Remember that 26 of the 58 counties in California voted for TRUMP! 18 of those 26 counties are in the State of Jefferson. Time for the State of Jefferson!

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  9. Standing Fast
    Standing Fast 23 December, 2016, 11:53

    I can’t help thinking that there is something impossible about the California secession movement. What it is, I don’t know. My husband says he doesn’t think it will fly. But there are people who support it thinking we will end up as part of Mexico. Either way, have any of these folks given any thought to all the federal dollars we receive–over and above all the taxes we pay? Also, we are close enough to North Korea to be an easy target if we were no longer part of the U.S.
    Oh, the stupidity!

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  10. Mike
    Mike 23 December, 2016, 19:06

    The Russians would be great at addressing illegal immigrants. Make rhem slaves. Minimum and maximun wage for illegals is zero. lowers the cost of produce. The Russians would address gay marriage in a unique way. Kill the couple and all the guesta at the wedding. Then they would brag gay narriage is not against Russuan law, but rarely happens. Gavib Newsom woukd be dragged behind a fishing boat as chum. Ricardo Lara wouls be Icardo after Boris removes his Richard wuth his bare hands

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  11. Queeg
    Queeg 24 December, 2016, 09:31

    Comrades

    Such fear, such nonsense.

    Entitlements and other long term liabilities will not be met in a breakup.

    The new country would revert to a 1880 economy with Huns, Thurlingens, Visigoths slaughtering , pillaging Mad Max style.

    Quigly Down Under long rifles for hunting Plutocrats, greasy attorneys, eco freaks, welfare and education administrators will sell at a premium.

    So much for those tony drink and health food stores, yoga pants, organics, gastro pubs, meditation rooms, safest zones, uni-whatever outhouses.

    Maybe tourism opportunities for the world’s demented though-

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    • Standing Fast
      Standing Fast 24 December, 2016, 12:07

      My dear Comrade Queeg,

      While I fully agree that your vision of an independent People’s Republic of Communist California would be a land of unheard-of opportunities for bullies and tyrants, I take exception to your scorn for organic comestibles. I happen to like my meat-based high-fat, high-protein diet organic and free of science-fiction bio-chemical innovations. I would hope that the exciting future you envision for us still has room for freedom of choice.

      And may God bless us, everyone!

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      • Queeg
        Queeg 24 December, 2016, 14:16

        Comrade Last Standing

        By best man’s Iron Curtain Hungary brother waited 23 years for a 425 sq. ft. Condo. Through black market trading he bought his parents a 10 cubic foot refrigerator, only one in the apartment house, residents threw a party in joy!

        Your rich healthy meat habit request is DENIED! Never covet the trappings of party members who guide, protect and feel for you. There are no PC words to describe their disappointment .

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        • Standing Fast
          Standing Fast 24 December, 2016, 15:32

          My Dear Comrade Queeg,

          I am pleased at the good fortune of your best man’s brother’s parents and their high-status refrigerator.

          And my sister-in-law’s sister in the old Soviet Union before the collapse of, well, the Soviet Union, had a fifth-floor apartment that could be reached only by way of the stairs because the elevator didn’t stop on the lower floors.

          And when they went to the place where you went to buy things you needed, you could get a left shoe of questionable quality but not a right shoe and if there was any food to be had people bought up whatever they were allowed and had a party.

          And if the day ever comes when I have to give up eating what I want because the government does not approve, well, that will be a disappointment to me.

          “Stand fast in the Liberty wherewith Christ hath set us free…”
          A slogan of the Protestant Resistance Movement in the 17th century and American Revolution in the 18th century
          Galatians 5:1 (KJV)

          Merry Christmas!

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  12. Mike
    Mike 24 December, 2016, 17:05

    Perhaps, nexr year ar this time some young uniformed folks from Texas, Alabama, Georgia will be landing in California to arrest Brown, Deleon, Herrera, Rendon, Lara dressed in totu, for transporation to a Federal Prion in Wyoming, awaiting trial for Treason. Life sentence or firing squad. Choices, choices. A nice prison overlooking the shores of Lake Superior, quite a ways from their preferred country, Mexico.

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  13. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 24 December, 2016, 19:22

    Could this discussion be more stupid? Most of us who live in CA are normal everyday citizens and we are not going to take our State anywhere. It is going to stay right here in the United States of America! Find something worthwhile to do with your time.

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    • Queeg
      Queeg 24 December, 2016, 21:40

      Comrade Saw

      We fun….we know the results….history tells us.

      By the way, pensioners are starting to take haircuts from Cal Pers……like over 30 percent. In news this week.

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      • SeeSaw
        SeeSaw 24 December, 2016, 23:02

        Those cuts are to four pensioners in a small city that pulled out of the plan a few years ago and failed to pay the termination fees. They knew what would be required before they cut the ties and they left their own retirees unprotected. No, there is no general cutting of CalPERS pensions–stop bearing false witness.

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        • ricky65
          ricky65 25 December, 2016, 09:41

          Comrade Hee-Haw:
          When you live in an insane asylum, all the rest of the inmates appear to be ‘normal everyday citizens’.

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  14. Queeg
    Queeg 25 December, 2016, 21:13

    Comrade Saw

    Having a target on your back and then…….30 percent haircut…..

    Welcome to the world of the Deplorables!

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    • SeeSaw
      SeeSaw 26 December, 2016, 13:02

      The City of Loyalton put the target on the backs of its own retirees. CalPERS members who worked for entities that paid their retirement costs have no targets on their own backs–their are no such haircuts on the horizon. And don’t call me deplorable! I do not live in an insane asylum–I have spent 60 very normal years in CA and expect to die in CA!

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  15. Partybreaker
    Partybreaker 26 December, 2016, 06:36

    My daughter had a great perspective on the election. Bill Clinton was the President who got a blowjob in the White House from a 20 something.Hillary said that is ok, elect me, and yes Bill is back in the White House. That did not seem ok to her. Forget policy, taxes, etc.. It is like the HS principal said, the 17 year cheerleader sucked me off, but I am the principal. Get to class.

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  16. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 December, 2016, 13:08

    Great perspective alright. Elect the opposing candidate and we won’t get Bill–instead we’ll get nukes. I’d rather see Bill–he’s better looking than Trump–and he is sane.

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  17. Partybreaker
    Partybreaker 26 December, 2016, 14:29

    i showed my daughter your post Seesaw. She said she didn t think the President should be getting blowjobs in the White House.You are obviosly pro Blowjob. You voted for blowjobs, she did not. just a difference of opinion. My opinion is you win, based on the old Roman maxim. “An Emperior getting a blowjob is too busy to wage war.”
    Good job seesaw.

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  18. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 26 December, 2016, 21:53

    No PB–I do not even think about it–it was one group of incidents that the public learned of, involuntarily. We probably don’t know one tenth of what goes on in the private lives of the politicians. I don’t know what Hillary said to Bill and I don’t care–it is their business. All I care about is that the person we put our trust in does the job he/she was elected to do. The private lives of our leaders should be kept private as should that of all citizens. I certainly don’t feel good that the incoming leader of the free world could annihilate us with one touch of the button if he gets offended. Do you? (Anyway we are off topic–I say, “No”, to secession of CA.)

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  19. Partybreaker
    Partybreaker 28 December, 2016, 10:37

    My daughter’s comment, ” Insufferable personality. “

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