Did California budget deficit sink Wisconsin recall?
June 1, 2012
By Wayne Lusvardi
New York Times journalist Frank Rich once wrote about the spectacle that surrounded the recall of former California Gov. Gray Davis in 2003:
“Eastern snobs who airily condescended to the spectacle as merely another example of Left-coast madness just didn’t get it. As California goes so goes the nation. It’s Disneyland that prefigures the future, and the action-packed recall ride was nothing if not the apotheosis of the Magic Kingdom. It was fun. It was instructive. And it set off a chain of unanticipated consequences whose full meaning will become apparent only with time.”
In 2003, former Gov. Gray Davis was facing a nearly $21.1 billion budget deficit, alongside the aftermath of the California Energy Crisis of 2001. California eventually had to issue a $15 billion general obligation bond authorized under Proposition 57 to pay off the budget deficit. It also ended up entering into long-term energy contracts to pay off $42 billion in unpaid bonds on old power plants mothballed to clean the air in 2001, which caused the resulting energy crisis.
Little did Rich know what he was writing about in 2003 might foreshadow the May 16, 2012 announcement that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) was pulling financial support from the effort to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. This coincidentally came on the heels of Gov. Jerry Brown’s May 12 announcement that California’s budget deficit had ballooned out of control from about $9 billion in January to $16 billion in May.
Was it purely coincidental that these two events were near in time? We don’t know for sure. But Wisconsin public opinion polls showed a 9 percent gap in opinion polls had opened up between the DNC’s recall candidate and Gov. Walker.
Walker recall diminishes
All of a sudden Wisconsin had become Frank Rich’s Tomorrowland. At one point in 2011, Calwatchdog.com managing editor John Seiler aptly asked: “Will Wisconsin Protests Come to California?” But following the “law of unanticipated consequences” mentioned by Rich, what happened was the reverse: California’s budget deficit may have sunk any real chances of the Democratic Party to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.
When California voters passed Proposition 25 in Nov. 2010, the legislature was given the power to pass a budget with only a majority vote; little did they know what the consequence of that might be in Wisconsin. Writing in the Orange County Register on March 10, 2011, Daniel Weintraub stated: “Democrats are learning that a power they have long sought — to pass a budget with a majority vote — might not be the lever they thought it was going to be… With a Democrat in the governor’s office, that should make for easy sailing for a Democrat-driven budget plan. But something very different is happening.”
What galvanized the Tea Party to take so many seats in Congressional races across the U.S. in 2010 was not only the issue of Obamacare. It was also the prospect of other states having to pick up the cost to bail out California’s enormous budget deficit and debts. Did Wisconsin voters see “California coming and got scared” as James Brady once famously put it? It sure looks like it. Wisconsin finally found a function for all of California’s political dysfunction.
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One wonders also whether the fraud case of Kinde Durkee won’t at least temporarily sour the DNC on sending money to California as well. The entire state, with small exceptional redoubts, is blue from Oregon to Mexico, and so why not spend where the funds will do the most good? Though, it seems to me that the Wisconsin race is about as key to the Democratic party as it gets; that may simply be a tacit admission of defeat. If big labor loses in Michigan, the fortunes of Team Blue could change in a big hurry, and not for the better.
Not to worry, folks. This financial stuff is small potatoes. I suspect there will be a coordinated attack with Israel on Iran sometime before the November elections. If it goes bad the long-legged mac daddy will blame the Israeli’s. If it goes well long-legs will take all the credit. Then you all be waving your flags and saying that the rest of the globe hates us for our freedom. 😀 You know the drill. The long-leg’s approval rating will climb 10 points and we’ll be off to the races for more sleight of hand from 2013-2017. More borrowing. More money printing until the house of cards finally collapses. heh. Keep your eyes wide open. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. 😉
Btw, Mr. Daniel Weintraub….. it’s not just the democraps sinking the financial ship. All of the OC republican congresscritter (every damn single one of them) voted to increase the debt ceiling and told us not to worry, that the Stupid…er…..I mean Super Committee would save us??? Remember that, Mr. Weintraub???
And if you haven’t been paying attention 15 of the freshman congresscritter who ran under the banner of the Tea Party are not taking big payoffs from the TBTF banks and the American Banksters Association and suddenly have lost their tough talk on going after the Wall Street financial terrorists! heh. Remember how tough they talked back in 2010 when they ran for office under the Tea Party, Mr. Weintraub??? heh. Like a bunch of rabid pitbulls. Now suddenly they have been transformed into little bankster lapdogs. Funny how that works, isn’t it Mr. Weintraub???
It just goes to show how worthless our votes are becoming. There is a DIRECT correlation in American between the debasement of our money – and the debasement of our votes!!!
Take some of that and put it in your pipe, Mr. Weintraub!!!
The problem for Kalifornia was that what Gov. Walker did, worked. He balanced the budget without tax increases and by reining in public unions. Their unemployment number is around 7%. Thousands of public union jobs were saved and, despite the dire warnings, public workers are not living on cat food and sleeping in shopping carts under bridges. By spreading the pain around equally, it was barely felt by anyone.
Illinois is the model here. Huge tax increases, and still huge budget deficits. And an unemployment rate that stays very high. The problems is that Kalifornia and Illinois are dragging down the rest of the country. But for them our unemployment rate would be down near 7% now and our recovery would be assured.
Instead, well, look at the stock market today.
Hondo
“What galvanized the Tea Party to take so many seats in Congressional races across the U.S. in 2010 was not only the issue of Obamacare. It was also the prospect of other states having to pick up the cost to bail out California’s enormous budget deficit and debts”
Here, Wayne. This is what your Tea Party leaders have evolved into. Read this and do a blog on it. I dare ya!
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/21/484283/how-banks-bought-the-tea-party/?mobile=nc
Be sure to tell Mr. Weintraub about it too! 🙂
The Tea Party is not bad. Keeps politicans on their toes.
Fiscal management to keep scarce public funds for the kids, the truly poor and the helpless is fine public policy.
No conspiracies….no doomsdays…just citizen volunteer work to keep America great!
“The Tea Party is not bad”
That is a fair statement.
However, the political electeds of ANY political party who took money and votes based on promises to act in a certain way to their constituents – and after being elected actually do the opposite of what they promised – are, IN FACT, bad. They are FRAUDS and committed a FRAUDULENT act.
If I promised you a good or a service and, as a result, you transferred some of your discretionary income to me in anticipation of receiving that good or service – and I reneged on my promise(s) – you would have a legal basis to come after me and collect damages.
“Fiscal management to keep scarce public funds for the kids, the truly poor and the helpless is fine public policy”
Not when the funds are taken by means of coercion or fraud it isn’t.
There are very few truly helpless in America or those who are truly poor except by choice. The phonies need to be identified and cut off. That’s the American way. No more free lunches for those of able body and mind.
When politicians commit acts of fraud – it should be no different.
I see the DOW was down 274 for the day….the biggest drop in 2012. heh.
Very weak jobs report. heh.
I thought the long-legged mac daddy had saved us with his ‘stimulus package’ and that the recession ended in 2009? heh.
I thought the ‘shovel ready’ jobs would put America back to work. heh.
I thought that “deficits didn’t matter”. heh.
We’re rolling over, folks. Hang on. I warned you about this a few months ago. 😉
I agree with ya Queeqster about the tea baggers– I do think they keep both parties on their toes somewhat re spending but I abhor the racist whack job element we see so often at the rallies etc…
Beezy— Still using the racial phrase regarding our nations’ African American Prersident? Shame on you.
There is no arbitrary taking of your funds. Elected by majority…your leaders attempt to govern, disbuse funds to those in need and protect us from all foes.
Try Iraq or Mexico if you have it so bad in California. I will gladly pay for a civil society…
“Prersident?”
I guess spelling competence isn’t a prereq for a philo major, is it??? heh.
“Beezy— Still using the racial phrase regarding our nations’ African American Prersident?”
I guess comprehension and the ability to connect lucid explanations are not prereqs either. heh.
If I were you I’d contact the business office of your alma mater and DEMAND a refund.
So much to comment on here.
First, Queegy you really have to get beyond the bumber sticker platitudes and simplistic jingoes. I am so damn sick and tired of being shaken down in the name of the kids and gramma and grampa and illegal aliens and delta smelt and little fuzzy bunnies and crack whores on food stamps and three legged unicorns bla, bla, bla. Screw the kids, tax the poor and to hell with the helpless. And do you really think citizen volunteer work (whatever that means) will fix our problems? Maybe you mean volunteering at bayonet point. Besides, Billy Clinton told us his Americorpse was going to do all that wonderful stuff. What happened?
Wayne, I still don’t get the connection between Kalifornia’s budget problems and the Scott Walker Recall. It seems very speculative and light on pertinent facts.
You ask “Was it purely coincidental that these two events were near in time?” Given the absence of any evidence the contrary, Yes!
I admit that the turnaround in Wisconsin surprised me greatly because I always thought of it as hopelessly left wing like Kali. However this state is different. It is structurally and culturally dystopian. The one party stranglehold on politics here is much more entrenched than in the cheese state. Hondo is right, Illinois (or Greece) is the model for Kali, not Wisconsin.
“California’s budget deficit may have sunk any real chances of the Democratic Party to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker”. I still don’t get the connection. What am I missing here. Do you really think there is a snowballs chance in hell of the Retardpublicans getting control of the Governorship and the Legislature here as they did in the land of beer and brats? Not a chance!
B’bub has several interesting comments here. He is on to something regarding the co-opting of the Tea Party. I think it is an ephemeral and ultimately doomed movement because it is traditionalist and conservative (ie. reactionary). A more revolutionary kick ass attitude is needed. Wearing a gadsden flag T-shirt and screaming at your spineless congresscritter isn’t enough. How many Tea Party types are sucking the Federal teat right now?Things will have to get a lot worse before people will risk losing that government check.
“It just goes to show how worthless our votes are becoming. There is a DIRECT correlation in American between the debasement of our money – and the debasement of our votes!!!” Don’t know if there is a cause and effect relationship there but it sure is thought provoking.
@ Rob Macmillin, thanks for reminding me about Kindee Durkee. Anyone who can rip off a pearl fondling oligarch like DiFi or a bubblebrain like Loretta Sanchez is OK with me:-) Just thinking about it gives me a warm fuzzy glow. On the other hand, both will be re-elected handily which gets back to my point about structural and cultural dystopia. Also, the DNC doesn’t have to send a dime to Kali to win big here. This is where the DNC comes to get money, not spend it.
Here is a thought. Maybe when you stuff 8 million immigrants into a state and mix in a big batch of fruits, flakes, nuts, degenerates and crooks things just don’t work out. Kali has a reputation for a reason.
Spelling and grammar are approximate….it is the good…the general welfare…protection from exploitation…the meaness in capitalism.
“There is no arbitrary taking of your funds. Elected by majority…your leaders attempt to govern, disbuse funds to those in need and protect us from all foes”
That is a bogus and disingenuous reply.
Voters vote for electeds based upon their political presentations during the campaign cycle. Voters send campaign money to the electeds in support of their positions on public matters that affect our lives.
When a politician promises to support particular positions to a constituent and after getting elected reneges on those promise(s)it is a form of FRAUD.
And there is absolutely NOTHING that you can say that would successfully dispute my claim. NOTHING!
I come only from the TRUTH. I speak FACTS. And I view those who try to justify FRAUD as a distasteful and reprehensible segment of our society.
“protection from exploitation”
How about protection from a kleptocracy that steals the citizens blind???
Nobody seems to give a damn about the producers in society anymore. All want to protect the leeches.
We are turning into a FAILED society, state and nation!
The leeches have taken control!!!
“Here is a thought. Maybe when you stuff 8 million immigrants into a state and mix in a big batch of fruits, flakes, nuts, degenerates and crooks things just don’t work out. Kali has a reputation for a reason”
Great point, Dys.
The proof is in the pudding. California has traditionally been ruled by dems and liberals. And look where we are as a state. Damned near on the bottom of the slime bucket when it comes to budgets, deficit spending, crime, illegal invaders, education, welfare, health care, etc…. So everything that is important to quality of life has been virtually destroyed by these political failures.
There is NOTHING written in stone that California must be a dem/lib state. I think we are going to see a political revolution here in the next 5 years. I think you are going to see the conservatives take over when the financial bubble finally bursts. Someone must come in to clean up the mess. The dem/libs have CONSISTENTLY crapped in their own nests and are on a path to self-destruction. Time to bring in the water hoses and spray all their crap into the sewer system where it belongs!!! 😀
Edward Steele, you must be Teddy’s dumber brother. I wish you would quit refering to the Tea Party types as Tea Baggers. They have their limitations to be sure, but at least they are pitching a fit and making some noise. Denigrating them that way only shows what a douche bagger you are.
It gets so tiresome having to point out the obvious to so many thick heads but President Obushma isn’t “An African American”. To be accurate he is a mixed race person or a Euro-Afro-American or to use a more mellifluous but politically incorrect term, a mulatto. It would be just as nonsensical to refer to him as a Euro-American without recognizing his African heritage. The dude is not only half white, he was raised by lilly white folks and was culturally white until he decided that communing with his African ancestry was a better marketing tool. He was certainly right about that.
Ever notice how when it suits him (in front of a white audience) he sounds like a white guy and in front of a black audience he morphs into the head deacon of the First Methodist Episcopalian Presbyterian Baptist Church of Africa? This is one smooth demagogue. On the other hand how hard is it to fool the average American voter? Answer, not very.
Note to self, listen to wifey and use a spell checker before posting.
“I wish you would quit refering to the Tea Party types as Tea Baggers. They have their limitations to be sure, but at least they are pitching a fit and making some noise”
Dys, I don’t blame the rank ‘n file of the Tea Party so much – although some are very regimented and paralyzed in their thought processes and refuse to alter their opinions when the facts change. That is really what I fault them for. Many are ideologues who have zero flexibility.
I mostly blame the fraudulent Tea Party leaders who fooled the rank ‘n file and hijacked their support for personal gain. As we all know, the fish rots from it’s head and once the leaders go bad – the entire party movement goes bad.
BIG MONEY bought the Tea Party, Dys. Just like they buy everybody in power. Our votes are really meaningless. The ones who come in on the white horse wearing the big white hats to save us turn out to be our enemies. Traitors.
Beelzebub only speaks the truth, my friend. No one owns Beelzebub. Beelzebub belongs to no poltiical party. Beelzebub is loyal to any certain ideology. Beelzebub plays no favorites. I am not a journalist. I am not a politician. I am not a whore. I am Beelzebub! 😉
“Ever notice how when it suits him (in front of a white audience) he sounds like a white guy and in front of a black audience he morphs into the head deacon of the First Methodist Episcopalian Presbyterian Baptist Church of Africa?”
Have you noticed that the long-legged mac daddy’s spoken dialect changes when he speaks before a black audience?? heh. Long-legs goes into his ‘ebonics’ routine. And then when he speaks to white he speaks a lily white dialect? heh.
Long-legs is phonier than a $3 bill. That’s whay I despise him. I hate his phoniness. I hate his lies. I hate his deception. I hate his arrogance.
Yes the man is phony baloney. But he’s more than that, he’s evil. Anyone who can connive with the President of Mexico to smuggle thousands of semi auto rifles and grenade parts to Mexican crime gangs just to revive a so called assault weapons ban is pure, cunning, heartless, Machiavellian evil. Many have died because of this. The cover-up continues. This is a hundred times worse than Watergate. No one died there. Then there is the drone attacks on American citizens without any due process. Despicable. There but for anonymity and luck go the rest of us.
‘Fast and Furious’ was only ONE of the long-legged mac daddy’s scandals, Dys. There have been many. But you’re right. This one took the lives of many innocents, to include one of our own Border Patrol Agents. Those who participated on this side of the border should be charged with being accessories to murder. But that will never happen because we are talking about long-time ‘club members’.
Trust me, if an ordinary non-connected citizen sent assault weapons over the border and it resulted in murders w/those weapons – we would either get sent down to Mexico and tried there or we would be prosecuted here, or both. In fact, it would probably be referred to as a ‘terrorist’ prosecution. Under NDAA it could void the defendants right to due process and a consultation with private counsel.
It’s one f’ed up system, Dys!
There is no reason to banter when morality and taking care of human beings are the religious underpinnings of our society…..otherwise…head to China for the buck and fir being a Republican slaver!!
There’s absolutely nothing stopping you from taking a supplemental 20% from your income and donating it to the government to fund programs for the less fortunate.
And if you like to get pinned under by your religion of choice – that’s your business. Leave us out of it. Not everyone subscribes to your beliefs.
Cut loose of your own stash before trying to implore your will on others! Wallow in your own misery. Don’t spread it to others. 🙂
You libs are not happy unless you can
meddle in the lives of others and force them to believe as you do by involuntarily contributing to your pet projects.
Go fund your own crap. Leave us alone!
Tonite, Mitt Romney said in a speech in OC, “We can’t let America go the way of Europe; heck, we can’t let America go the way of CALIFORNIA”.
Got standing O from Californian audience
Be patient and open minded to change…spouting Beck, Liddy, Levin and Hannity pap only makes one sound like a uncaring rich boy talking head. Invest in society… you will feel good about yourself!
“Tonite, Mitt Romney said in a speech in OC, “We can’t let America go the way of Europe; heck, we can’t let America go the way of CALIFORNIA”.
Quite honestly, I think Mittens is just another shill for the oligarchs. He’s deep into the same pocket that the long-legged mac daddy is in. There is plenty of room for both.
But as much as I dislike Mittens – I hope he wins, only because if long-legs gets another 4 years and becomes a lame duck – this nation is finished. We’re done. At that point you can put a fork in us. Let’s pray for long-legs being shown the door.
“Be patient and open minded to change…..”
You’re still stuck on stupid looking for ‘hope ‘n change’, eh??? heh.
Don’t feel alone. There are millions of challenged folkds just like you.
Why don’t you go join a crusade that has a snowball’s chance …… like eliminating poverty or stamping out hunger! 😀
Have you afixed Obama’s new slogan “Forward! – 2012” to the bumper of your Volt yet??? 😀
Queeg is right— all must listen…maybe it’s better to invest in America for the long haul….or should we continue to let the bilionaire masters dictate the course?
Is Mitt a robot?
Will he rule a golden planet in the afterlife?
“Queeg is right— all must listen…maybe it’s better to invest in America for the long haul….or should we continue to let the bilionaire masters dictate the course?”
It cracks me up that you would say that as the long-legged mac daddy is employing John “the money disappeared” Corzine as his primary Campaign Fund Financier!!! HAH! HAH! HAH! 😀 😀 😀
Are you people really this uninformed or is it just a matter of pure raw utter stupidity??? 🙂
@Teddy and Queegy,
You two sound like a Second City TV parody of reactionary empty headed left wing blithering idiots. You probably don’t even rise to the level of idiocy. More like pathetic, craven, bombastic stupidity. Really, you have to do better than this. Don’t you? Spouting platitudes from a Berkeley high school social science class circa 1969 is beyond pathetic. Does Media Matters or The Public Policy Institute pay you two to troll this website or are you really this pathetic on your own dime? Every time I read your drivel I can feel my brain saying WTF??????? Are there humanoids still this clueless.
And now for something completely different, several days ago I heard a Beach Boys tune on the radio that I can’t get out of my head. This morning I awoke to it’s timeless beauty playing in my head. My mind is filled with it’s gorgeous, rich, harmonious, wistfull melody. Track 1 from the classic Pet Sounds album, Title – Wouldn’t It Be Nice. True greatness.
Sorry to offend. Had no idea to what levels human beings could fall…all this venom, whining and character butchering from seemingly prosperous and educated bloggers.
Caring and constructive bloggers like Teddy will bring us together. I forgive. Let’s move forward to hope and change.
Why o Why have I been so wrong?
Beezy, I am so sorry for doubting your wisdom, forgive me for I have sinned. It must have been that Philosophy major in Junior College.
“My mind is filled with it’s gorgeous, rich, harmonious, wistfull melody. Track 1 from the classic Pet Sounds album, Title – Wouldn’t It Be Nice. True greatness”
Loved the BB’s growing up and still do. My fav (and I believe it’s off Pet Sounds) is God Only Knows. What a glorious magnificent beautiful uplifting tune. Brian Wilson was a true musical genius. Not so much anymore. But back in his day he was right up there with Lennon/McCartney. God bless all of them. It’s one remnant of excellence that my generation left behind. Other than that we f’ed everything up.
“Beezy, I am so sorry for doubting your wisdom, forgive me for I have sinned. It must have been that Philosophy major in Junior College”
Don’t be too hard on yourself, Teddy.
Shucks, it’s not really your fault. Like millions of kids you got sucked into a flim-flam system believing it would turn you into a renaissance man. Naturally, that’s not possible. The best you can do is break through your denial and seek out the truth. Ask your higher power for help. You can’t do it alone.
Good luck, man.
btw, Dys.
I still have the 33 LP of Pet Sounds that I got as a kid. I must have played it 2000 times. It was no less than a masterpiece from start to finish. It’s on par with Sgt Pepper on creativity and innovative sounds that broke through another musical barrier. Those were the days. Music today is like dogcrap compared to what the 50’s, 60’s and part of the 70’s produced.
Dope smoking post Vietnam generation ruined us….the music, idol worship are pot dulled memories of a pathetic time
in America.
Time to move on…..
LOL first of all whoever is using my name– I love it. Although as you can see for security reasons I change part of my handle always– it’s troll proof!
Pet Sounds 2000 times? LOL That explains alot. Queeg, once again your comments are spot on.
Relaxing and listening to records….mmmmm…..I wish I had of had the time…I was serving my Country in an uncomfortable place.
Out here on the perimeter there are no stars.– Ted
Beezytool…still using the racist phrase? LOL Oh my.
Teddy and I served to protect maggot globalists who ruined Mexico’s family agriculture….to survive proud family farmers were turned into shunned “illegals”….exploited migrants in California living in slum conditions, paid slave wages and hunted like criminals for trying to feed their impoverished families starving in Mexico.
Any blogger who defends globalists , exploitive contractors, the rich servant masters and greedy farmers should be ashamed of themselves for being cruel accomodators of this human misery!
“Dope smoking post Vietnam generation ruined us….the music, idol worship are pot dulled memories of a pathetic time
in America”
How old are you, man??? 115??? You sound like my grandfather and he’s been dead for 50 years!!! HAH!
“Teddy and I served to protect maggot globalists who ruined Mexico’s family agriculture….to survive proud family farmers were turned into shunned “illegals”….exploited migrants in California living in slum conditions, paid slave wages and hunted like criminals for trying to feed their impoverished families starving in Mexico”
F the illegals. They should be MEXICO’s problems, not ours. How would Mexico like it if we sent all our homeless and mentally ill into Tijuana, Mexicali, Guadalajara, Cancun, etc… naturally they’d have a crapfit and it would be paramount to an act of war. But they can dump all their illiterates and poverty victims on us – and you aholes applaud it??? HAH! Go join them in Mexico, dipwad. Go live off tortillas and rice while you teach them all to speak english!!! HAH! Oh, and try to get free health care and education for your kids while you’re down there. THEY’LL THROW YOU BUTT IN JAIL!!!! HAH!!! 😀
Beezytool– “f the illegals?” You write like a sad ignorant troll little buddy. Can you do better? We all want to know.
“Pet Sounds 2000 times? LOL”
Here’s Teddy’s idea of a cutting edge band and musical talent galore that goes beyond space and time!
Enjoy!!
A positive discussion concerning maggot globalists???
Teddy called it! Only hate hate hate instead of accomodative compassion.
“Only hate hate hate instead of accomodative compassion”
Compassion to you = reaching into a producers pocket – heisting his earnings – and turning it over to a leech.
Take your compassion and shove it up where the sun don’t shine. 🙂
Recently, due to increased gasoline I gave two gardners a 10% raise.
They work hard. They are part of the American dream.
“They work hard. They are part of the American dream”
Only if they are citizens.
If they are illegals they are criminals who leech off of American citizens. They need to go back to where they came from and change their own government. But stay the F out of our state and don’t bring your problems with you. Simply stated, we are damned tired of paying $20B a year to support you lifestyles!!! 🙁
It is what it is….embrace diversity….it’s good for economic growth!
Ask the Poles, Irish, Slavs, Italians.
“It is what it is….embrace diversity….it’s good for economic growth!”
You must be schizophrenic.
Just a couple of posts ago you railed against the ‘globalists’.
Embracing illegal immigration is only beneficial to the ‘globalists’ and only hurts the middle class ordinary citizen with depressed wages and lack of jobs.
Please, back on your meds!!! 😀
Queeg—- beezybob does not understand globalism v. diversity so be easy on him. Remember, he likes racist language he is limited.
Teddy:
Truly shocked. Looked for the good in bloggers. Will have to be more discerning and calculating…
You just never know about souls on the internet!
You 2 really need to go to a site where people don’t challenge your crap and make you look foolish. CWD is not good for your self-esteem. Perhaps you can find a site where 6th graders discuss worldly topics. Good luck.
It’s true Queeg— the www is the great unwashed highway! Ya know I truly do try to be nice to the very limited, it usually isn’t their fault. Hey—- go OKC !!!!!
Teddy………as Rush Limbaugh…..DITTO!
Get a room.
Beezyboob— in psychological terms we would say you are clearly projecting. (hurry, run to Google (tm )
“Beezyboob— in psychological terms we would say you are clearly projecting”
What? Are you reading psych self-help books to try to figure yourself out and coming across big new analysis words to toss around? Don’t bother. You’re wasting your money. Based on your drivel on these boards Sigmund Freud couldn’t help you. I suggest you buy a parakeet for company and something to talk to. Don’t buy a dog. I have too much respect for dogs. 😀
Want some popcorn with the movie you’re watching in the bunker? I can hear the projecting from here ! LOL
Oh my I crack myself up!
mmmmmmmmm nite nite troll !
Aggressive behavior is a defense mechanism…makes this blog a psychological thriller….
Go get some shuteye, big boy. It’s been another tough one. Do some trancendental meditation before you drift into never-never land. I suggest using the chant “no new taxes”. 😀
Will it ever end….investment in America is the only way to provide for residents!
The rich must step up!
Fanatic leadership ruthlessly seeking profits over the public common good….the struggle….the people will win….the 99%.
There is no denial people are hurting…good prevails over evil!
I love rye bread.
Teddy:
Dark beer and Bavarian pretzels are festive fare on weekend days of rest. Got to try some wheat bagels at Jerry’s Deli, cream cheese and some of their to die for brisket….Bezzie got good tastes!
I just deleted some abusive posts here.
Don’t do it.
Thanks John—– But mental health wise– one of these guys is hanging on by a thread.
“Thanks John—– But mental health wise– one of these guys is hanging on by a thread”
Mr Seiler – do you notice how he provokes, antagonizes and goads other posters into a fight???
Then he complains when other posters fire back at him?
I have a suggestion – ban the provokers and antagonizers, Mr. Seiler. Target those who fire the first shots with deliberate intentions to start a war. Get rid of them and your problem would be solved. You would never have to delete another post on your boards.
They don’t want to debate. They wast to provoke and antagonize. Go back over the the various threads and read for yourself.
If I provoke little buddy that is often the spirit of debate. What you don’t see me do is get vulgar, racist or abusive.
Live and learn.
“If I provoke little buddy that is often the spirit of debate. What you don’t see me do is get vulgar, racist or abusive”
You have proven to be sexist and libelous by calling me a ‘racist’ and you are routinely abusive (just like in the comment I posted above). You are the prototypical pot calling the kettle black.
Here, let me repeat it again:
“Thanks John—– But mental health wise– one of these guys is hanging on by a thread”
That comment has no redeeming value. Mr. Seiler is a smart guy and can figure that out. It is, in fact, demeaning and hateful and offers NOTHING to the subject at hand.
And you have posted dozens of similar comments over the last few months.
I read you like an old yellow-paged, dog-earred Penguin paperback, old man.
I am thankful I wasn’t born you. 🙂
Belz, you cannot fight a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent 😉
Teddy couldn’t win a battle of the wits with a 2nd grader in special ed.
Poor beezy— can’t take debate without being abusive? LOL Oh my.
“abusive” and “provacateur” should be your middle names.
I can go back to show you where this war started. I was merely stating my opinion about a topic of the day when you and your hiney boy came after my jugular. Next time don’t fire the first shots and you won’t have to worry about other posters firing back. Got it, genius???
…hiney boy?
What does THAT mean???