GOP doomed no matter what

Nov. 8, 2012

By John Seiler

More than by the election, I’m amused by the aftermath comments. Consider this one, an analysis by Patrick May and Matt O’Brien for the Santa Cruz Sentinel:

“As California goes, so goes the nation.

“Republicans who missed the lesson of the Golden State’s shift from friend of the Grand Old Party to Democratic super majority may be giving the state another look amid the soul-searching a day after Barack Obama’s solid defeat of Mitt Romney.

“Just as the GOP years ago backed itself into a political-minority box in California by appealing to a vocal but shrinking base of white male voters while alienating other groups, many Republicans on Wednesday admitted they now face the same outcome on a national level unless they radically alter their strategy.

“‘The national Republican Party is following the path of the California GOP, which means they’re doomed unless they can find a way to reach not only Hispanic and Asian voters, but also women and even gays and lesbians,’ said Terry Christensen, political science professor emeritus at San Jose State University.”

The professor is wrong. Given that California’s GOP just nosedived to less than 1/3 representation in both houses of the Legislature, the real meaning is that the national GOP also is doomed. Even John McCain, who sponsored the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill, got only 2/3 of Latinos in 2008. No one ever will do better. Not even Marco Rubio, assuming people forget he can’t manage his own personal finances.

What the professor and so many commentators really are saying is: Republicans should be just like Democrats. Actually, on most issues, the parties are close to identical. It’s only the perception that is different because the party leaders like to fool the rank-and-file.

Democrats like to portray themselves as the party of working people, the middle class; but they’re just as much owned by the plutocrats as are the Republicans. The main beneficiary of Obamacare was not the uninsured, but Big Pharma, which got more victims to ply with its patent medicines.

Republicans like to portray themselves as the party of industry and entrepreneurship; but they’re just as beholden to Big Business and its subsidies, especially defense contractors, as are the Democrats.

Christian Right

The Christian Right seems to have some influence in the GOP. But since when have they won any battles? They’ve backed Republican presidents for 40 years on the promise that abortion would be made illegal again, but it’s still legal. The schools remain cesspools of illiteracy and political correctness. The universities are so left wing they make Mao look like Barry Goldwater.

The problem for the GOP elite is that it needs to get the Christian Right and other factions on its side to get enough votes to put up a good show on election day — before losing. So there’s the dilemma of getting the rubes to vote for you in the primary, then selling them out in the general election. That opens up the Republican candidate to charges of flip-flopping, something Obama used successfully against Romney, who has taken every side of every issue.

Republicans also face another problem. Democrats are really interested in politics, Republicans are really interested in business. So Republicans remain amateurs at politics.

The one thing that might bail out the Republicans is if the economy collapses, as after the 1929 Wall Street Crash, which was blamed on the GOP because it held the White House then. Now, the White House is held by a Democrat. So if things collapse, he and the Democrats will get the blame.

Even if that happens, Republicans probably will find a way to blow it.

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  1. Eric
    Eric 8 November, 2012, 15:02

    The GOP needs to accept that the notion that “we lost because we were too moderate” is a recipe for disaster. The track record of Tea Party candidates reveals this, as does common sense. The GOP also has to learn that freedom of religion extends to others, too. Yes, even atheists. Then they will again have a shot at being the party in power (nationally, if not soon in CA), but the center of mass will have shifted, as will the reference of what is conservative.

    And that’s ok.

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  2. Dave C
    Dave C 8 November, 2012, 15:19

    Great article! I guess the only chance the Republicans have is a ticket like Rubio/Condee Rice and even then we’d probably lose because they wouldn’t be offering FREE STUFF!

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  3. Dyspeptic
    Dyspeptic 8 November, 2012, 16:44

    Good article John. I think the Republicans could probable do a lot better politically if they unchained themselves from the Bible thumpers and took libertarian independents more seriously. The biggest doofus candidates for Republicans tend to be the socially conservative Tea Party nut bars like Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock. Another thing they really need to do is STOP MAKING WAR ON EVERYONE.

    I think the average American voter is really sick and tired of the chicken hawk Zionist warmonger routine. I don’t vote Republican anymore because I’m afraid they will start World War III while bending over and grabbing their ankles for Israel and the military industrial complex. Also, they need to promote candidates who do stuff that regular folks do and don’t seem like uptight cardboard cutouts. Republicans need to loosen up and learn to party a little. Politics is about entertainment as much as policy. If they don’t want to provide the free bread at least provide the circuses.

    Personally, I never vote for anyone who doesn’t drink, smoke or swear. How can you trust someone who doesn’t have any vices?

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  4. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 8 November, 2012, 16:59

    Dys. Your not nice…..today!

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  5. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 8 November, 2012, 19:05

    Personally, I never vote for anyone who doesn’t drink, smoke or swear

    Dont drink or smoke, buyt I love to drop F-bombs, do I qualify 🙂

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  6. wool-comber Leclerc
    wool-comber Leclerc 8 November, 2012, 19:12

    You know Dyspeptic you sound a lot like the people in the church I used to attend. The “young” wanted electric guitars, drums, movies, dances and drama to entertain the church goers and “grow” the congregation that was “dying.” The aged wanted to stay on the straight and narrow and of course couldn’t allow this new class of crass lawlessness believing it contrary to the very gospel. Kind of like you parents parents who thought Elvis was evil and rock and roll was from hell.

    So you agree that things are heading away from strict conscience of doing what one believes is “right.” Where statesmen did what they thought was good for the individual and nation. If your going to fornicate, sodomize, smoke, drink, and raise hell then why not a little theft too? Why not become a government admin or union thug and live on the taxes, and even cheat on your own. You can even act righteous and congratulate yourself that you are a public servant.

    Some people who choose to do what is right whether it’s popular, expedient, or to their own advantage. But they still vote and happen to be more Republican or independent. But I personally know of many who do not vote for individuals, only on issues because they don’t trust the politicians and don’t want to be responsible for the crime (erosion of freedoms) they commit if they helped place them in office.

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  7. Hondo
    Hondo 8 November, 2012, 20:59

    I am a Ross Perot, Rudy Giuliani Republican, pro choice, for gay marrige and am appalled by Akin and Mourdock. Mourdock basically said that if a girl is knocked up while being raped by her dad, she is blessed. What a Monster. But I could never get a republican nomination for even dog catcher because I’m a pro choice ‘baby killer’. Rudy Giuliani was easily the best choice in 08, but he was a ‘baby killer’, pro choice and didn’t hate gays. He never stood a chance in that race.
    The demographics have changed, the voters are younger and more liberal on social issues but I think they will listen to a fiscal conservative.
    If the repubs don’t want to go the way of the whigs, people like Rudy Giuliani have to be more welcome in the party for more than just votes and donations.
    I can’t go to the other side, the dems side. Their end game looks like Greece. Just look at Kali. I think the best social program is a JOB. The welfare state has destroyed the black family and led to the genocide of black men in places like Detroit, Chicago, and Baltimore.
    I can’t be apart of that genocide. That is the main reason I have left the dems.
    So where do I go now. I’m against drugs and believe in some forign policy but not to the insanity of Iraq so I can’t do the libertarian thing.
    Its up to the republicans to reach out a little. And since the republicans have no power to stop the dems, the dems they had better perform well. But looking at the state of Kalifornia, don’t bet on it.
    God bless America, and congrats to you libs. Its your time now. Use it wisely.
    Hondo…..

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  8. wool-comber Leclerc
    wool-comber Leclerc 8 November, 2012, 21:30

    I think the real disconnect is that people are ignorant to the fact that satan (yes I said it, the fallen angel Lucifer) uses “christian” (professing in name) more effectually than even a “liberal.” (pagan?) The Bible is very plain on this issue, in fact it plainly states that many professed “Christians” (people who call Jesus Lord) only have a “form of godliness” but deny the power of the gospel to overcome sin and are therefore worse sinners than the heathen. They use the righteous garments of Jesus to cover the worst debasement.

    I have lived in states and counties with a lot of mormons. I don’t agree with a lot of what they believe, but I think Romney was trust worthy and a better candidate even though he doesn’t smoke, drink, or fornicate. I personally think that our society no longer really likes straight laced people. Everybody wants a little sin. Just look at the television or listen to the radio, if you mind is enlightened by the Holy spirit then it’s pretty plain.

    It’s like the days of Noah. “The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time….and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”

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  9. Barb
    Barb 9 November, 2012, 07:17

    Oh come on! The Obama campaign just did a better job going after its base than the Romney campaign did. Plus, the Romney campaign was at a disadvantage (not being the incumbent) after having to run two campaigns, one for the primary (which was debilitating at best) and the other for the general election. It takes a lot of resources to do both.

    The Obama campagin, on the other hand, relied on their 08 strategy to go after the youth, minority, and female vote. (I know, as crazy as it sounds!) With lots and lots of data compiled from 08 by use of social media sites such as FB and the use of texting which was already set up from 08, plus the continum of more compiled data for 4 years, the campaign strategy reflected what mattered most to these block of voters, ie birth control, pay parity, free phones, free college tuition, and on and on and on! It brought out the votes!

    Additionally, I think the Democrats really know how to demonize the Republican image such as “the old white guy”, “take away the free stuff”, “war mongers” etc. etc. etc!

    I just think its time for the R party to regroup and learn to play the game better. I’m not suggesting that they should fall in line with the Democrats ill-conceived ploy to bankrupt the country, which they will do, but to learn how to get out their message better to these groups! Just my view!

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  10. Donkey
    Donkey 9 November, 2012, 10:21

    The election was one of resposible ideas versus graft and freebies. The demonrats have the Latinos in their court because the public school system has conditioned them to need government help, and they have the Blacks for the same reason. . They start out with a free breakfast, free lunch, and now even a free take-home meal for their first 14 years in the public school system and turn out as adults with the “where’s mine attitude.” Nothing is going to make a person vote responsible when their whole life has a Pavlovian mark placed on them for 14 years, and the same goes for all that live off the RAGWUS dole.

    Look at Greece! The government slaves are rioting in the streets because they have lost the value of their currency and can not pay their bills of free money in the form of pensions and medical to the trough feeders. We are heading in the same direction.

    More people voted in this election to keep what they were getting or were going to get from the government. They were afraid that Romney was going to cut their RAGWUS lifeboat and refused to use rational thought in picking a leader for the future.

    California, and America will be around for a long time, but in the end will be worse off than Greece, because its younger Palovian slaves believe they are entitled to even more than the current RAGWUS feeders do. 🙂

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  11. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 November, 2012, 12:42

    Oh my, Donk! Got plenty of Alka Seltzer on hand?

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  12. skippingdog
    skippingdog 9 November, 2012, 13:08

    Nice to see that you’ve recovered enough from the recent election trouncing to spread some bile this morning, Donkey.

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  13. Queeg
    Queeg 9 November, 2012, 21:38

    Donkey trots out rarely to CWD. He is recovering from Rizzo-mania……the “farm”…you know….little white jacket…meds

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  14. Hondo
    Hondo 10 November, 2012, 14:29

    Donkey is right. Sure, Romney ran a bad campaign and the republicans need to be more open minded. But can the republicans really compete with Santa Claus? It’s Xmas 365 days of the year for the dem voters and consumers.
    But socialism fails when you run out of other peoples money. Greece is rioting as we speak AND THEIR DEBT IS SMALLER THAN OURS. The fiscal cliff comes this Xmas. The stock market is way down and companies all over the country are shedding employes before Obamacare kicks in.
    You simply have to have a big enough economy to fund the social programs. If you took 100% of all the earnings of everyone Obama wants tax more, you wouldn’t come half way to balancing the budget Obama has proposed.
    Do we really think China is going to continue to buy our debt when were are so fiscally unsound. Don’t hold your breath.
    Hondo…..

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  15. Queeg
    Queeg 10 November, 2012, 21:32

    Federal Reserve buys the treasury bonds with printed money.

    Inflation…coming….you betcha…..homes, utilities, fuel, lumber and commodities as well as protein will rise sharply.

    Are you ready? Can handle 8-12% long term rates? Short term credit scarce?

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  16. Donkey
    Donkey 10 November, 2012, 21:45

    SeeSaw, I’m fine girl!

    SKdog, your greedy nature is the only bile spilling in these parts!

    My words are well reasoned, as Edward Gibbon said :“In t
    he end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.”

    ― Edward Gibbon
    🙂

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  17. Queeg
    Queeg 11 November, 2012, 21:45

    Donkey a one trick Donkey….Rizzo mania…..watch for lots of changes in Sacramento…..you will not cope!

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  18. Donkey
    Donkey 13 November, 2012, 18:15

    Ted Queeg, the Donkey will never quit, and never back down, or cower to the RAGWUS feeding cabal at which you gorge!! 🙂

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  19. SkeeterVT
    SkeeterVT 2 January, 2013, 11:31

    Donkey, you might never quit, but the more and more you persist in spouting off your right-wing B.S. rhetoric, the less and less credible you become, until ultimately no one other than your fellow right-wingers will believe you.

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  20. Brad
    Brad 5 April, 2013, 23:07

    [Speaking of Bible thumpers, I ran across this forthright web composition.]

    (The following paper was inspired by Bill O’Reilly whose TV show favors God Dumpers and not “Bible Thumpers.” Quotes are from “Vital Quotations” by Emerson West.)

    DANGEROUS BIBLE THUMPERS OF AMERICA

    ROBERT E. LEE: “In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.” (p. 21)
    DANIEL WEBSTER: “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper.” (p. 21)
    JOHN QUINCY ADAMS: “I have made it a practice for several years to read the Bible through in the course of every year.” (p. 22)
    ABRAHAM LINCOLN: “I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Saviour of the world is communicated to us through this book.” (p. 22)
    GEORGE WASHINGTON: “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.” (p. 22)
    HORACE GREELEY: “It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible-reading people.” (p. 23)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “I hold the precepts of Jesus as delivered by himself to be the most pure, benevolent, and sublime which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age; and consider all subsequent innovations as corruptions of this religion, having no foundation in what came from him.” (p. 45)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would by now have become Christian.” (p. 47)
    BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see.” (p.49)
    WOODROW WILSON: “The sum of the whole matter is this—-that our civilization cannot survive materially unless it be redeemed spiritually. It can only be saved by becoming permeated with the spirit of Christ and being made free and happy by practices which spring out of that spirit.” (p. 143)
    PATRICK HENRY: “There is a just God who presides over the destiny of nations.” (p. 145)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.” (p. 225)
    THOMAS JEFFERSON: “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.” (p. 237)
    GEORGE WASHINGTON: “The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low, that every person of sense and character detests and despises it.” (p. 283)
    BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: “Here is my creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshiped.” (p. 301)
    CALVIN COOLIDGE: “The strength of a country is the strength of its religious convictions.” (p. 305)
    GEORGE WASHINGTON: “The perpetuity of this nation depends upon the religious education of the young.” (p. 306)

    Prior to our increasingly “Hell-Bound and Happy” era, America’s greatest leaders were part of the (gulp) Religious Right! Today we’ve forgotten God’s threat (to abort America) in Psa. 50:22—-“Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.” Memo to God Dumpers: In light of Rev. 16:19, can you be sure you won’t be in a city that God has already reserved for destruction?

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