Illegal aliens can pay-to-stay in California

Illegal aliens can pay-to-stay in California

Sept. 5, 2012

By Katy Grimes

California Democrats worked overtime last week to set up a separate set of new rules and laws for illegal immigrants. While most agree that the federal government is not properly addressing illegal immigration, California is going in the opposite direction, and providing drivers licenses, education, health care, welfare and now a “safe harbor” for people in the state illegally.

The Legislature even is saying that if illegal aliens in California pay income taxes, they can enjoy amnesty for five years.

‘California Prosperity and Opportunity Act’

Call it “Pay to Stay.”

failed ballot initiative also called the “California Prosperity and Opportunity Act” estimated that as many as a million new taxpayers would contribute $325 million annually in general revenue to California, likely a high number. It was sold as a way to fund “desperately needed police and fire services.”

But the ballot initiative failed to get the necessary signatures to put it on the ballot. Instead, Steinberg and Fuentes gutted another bill, and placed the amnesty language into it, avoiding the standard public bill process entirely.

“You still are trying to buy votes,” Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, R-Twin Peaks, told Democratic colleagues in the Assembly on Friday, the last day of the two-year session. “This is yet another example of us veering off course. We are setting up a brand new society, with a separate set of rules for those who break the law.”

“This bill is a wolf in sheep’s clothing,” said Assemblyman Charles Calderon, D-Whittier. Calderon said that illegal immigrants will end up paying more than anyone else because they won’t be able to take any deductions.

Republican Assemblywoman Diane Harkey said that Democrats were using the issue to make points in the press during an election year. “The president had an opportunity to correct this and did not,” Harkey said. “This is window dressing at best.”

Steinberg appeared in the Assembly during floor debate and lobbied hard for votes for SB 901. The first Assembly vote failed to get the 41 “yes” votes needed, and stalled at 38-27. But later in the day, after more lobbying, the bill passed 43-32, entirely along party lines.

Take the bus, train or drive a car?

While legal California drivers are practically being forced out of cars and onto public transportation, the Legislature passed a bill last week which will allow illegal immigrants to obtain a legal California Driver’s License.

California already provides illegal immigrants a public education through college,  public health care and, in many cases, welfare and food stamps.

However, there is nothing in AB 2189, by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, requiring the drivers to purchase auto insurance. And many are concerned that a driver’s license provides the identification needed to illegally cast a vote in the upcoming November election.

Cedillo has tried nine times since 1998 to get bills passed that would allow illegal aliens to obtain driver’s licenses. All those previous efforts failed. Cedillo is also the author of the California Dream Act, passed in 2011, which allows illegal aliens to obtain financial aid for college.

Pay-to-stay taxes

Then there is the bill establishing “a voluntary program to encourage certain immigrants to pay state income taxes, and requests the federal government not to expend resources on enforcement of immigration laws against program participants.”

“The California Opportunity and Prosperity Act,” by Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, and Assemblyman Felipe Fuentes, D-San Fernando, would create a five-year pilot program for illegal aliens living in California since 2008; whose who cannot get Social Security numbers would be exempt from “apprehension, detention or removal” by the federal government.

The Los Angeles Times stated that “it only makes sense.”

SB 901 was an 11th-hour gut-and-amend bill, and was not vetted publicly. (Proposition 31, on the November ballot, would seek to end the gut-and-amend practice.) SB 901 is “intended to encourage certain immigrants in California to file state income tax returns and potentially generate a substantial amount of new tax revenue for the state.”

SB 901 would direct Gov. Jerry Brown to ask President Barack Obama to suspend programs of the federal immigration and security agencies for the duration of California’s five-year program. It’s a five-year amnesty program for illegal immigrants who pay state income tax. It could be billed as a pay-to-stay tax.

This bill is another example of California overreaching its authority. There is nothing in federal law allowing the government to abdicate its authority over illegal aliens and shift that authority to a state.

The absurdity of the bill is the notion that, if illegal aliens pay state income taxes, they will not be subject to deportation. There are no such protections. Even the bill analysis recognizes this:  “Federal preemption carries particular force in the context of immigration because the federal government has broad, undoubted power over immigration and the status of aliens. (See, e.g., Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10 (1982).

“Because this bill delves so closely into the subject of immigration, it is important to consider whether this bill may be preempted by federal law should it ultimately become law in California.”

Deferred action program

Most people agree that the lack of enforcement of U.S. immigration laws is a big problem, especially for border states. President Barack Obama made the problem worse earlier this year when he announced that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security would no longer deport illegal aliens who were in the U.S. prior to their 16th birthday. The law also states that illegal aliens 30 years old or younger are also eligible.

In addition to allowing millions of illegal immigrants to stay in the country, California will be providing them driver’s licenses and financial aid for college. Fuentes and Steinberg should have called the bill “the California Amnesty, Education and Identification Voter Act.”


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  1. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 5 September, 2012, 09:03

    Pay to stay— seems fair to me.

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  2. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 September, 2012, 11:18

    Teddy every scam the dreams up is “fair” to you, you receive the tribute from the scams.

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  3. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 5 September, 2012, 11:29

    Don’t you think people who rely on gov services should pay for them?

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  4. StevefromSacto
    StevefromSacto 5 September, 2012, 11:31

    Since CalWatchdog first posted, I have been trying without much success to define the kind of selfishness and intolerance that permeates this site.

    Last night the First Lady nailed it: “When you’ve worked hard, and done well, and walked through that doorway of opportunity…you do not slam it shut behind you…you reach back, and you give other folks the same chances that helped you succeed.”

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  5. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 September, 2012, 12:39

    Last night the First Lady nailed it: “When you’ve worked hard, and done well, and walked through that doorway of opportunity…you do not slam it shut behind you…you reach back, and you give other folks the same chances that helped you succeed.

    Yet slamming that door shut on the poor and middle class is exactly what the trough feeding public employees are doing, through excessive taxation to fund their MULTI MKILLION dollar benefits.

    Stevie from sactown strikes out yet again with his spin.

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  6. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 September, 2012, 12:40

    Don’t you think people who rely on gov services should pay for them?

    No I do not think people should have to pay $200K for a $20K job, thanks for asking, hope this helps.

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  7. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 5 September, 2012, 12:50

    Steve in cares what that woman says….live your own life, be responsible for your own outcomes…idolizing loser politicans, pundits, “stars”, lawyers and corrupt media is just plain SICK!

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  8. CalWatchdog
    CalWatchdog Author 5 September, 2012, 13:02

    Stevefromsacto: The country and state are collapsing from policies you support — including Republican policies (no diff between the two parties) — and you attack us for “selfishness and intolerance”?

    And as to what Ms. Obama said, in American and California today, what happens when you walk “through that doorway of opportunity” is the government slaps shackles on you and makes you a tax slave.

    Time to get out before we can’t do that anymore, either.

    — John Seiler

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  9. Karen Myers-Vance
    Karen Myers-Vance 5 September, 2012, 13:05

    It’s so nice to know that Gov. Brown is whoring out the state of California to illegals for money. I bet the firefighters and police that so badly need the funds will never see a dime of this money. Illegal means exactly what it says. These people need to go back to their country and find the means to come to the USA legally. I am sick and tired of paying for their free ride. We have enough legal citizens in our own country that could use the help that they are getting and they are totally being ignored because of the illegals. Enough is Enough. SEND THEM HOME!!!

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  10. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 5 September, 2012, 13:39

    John– Steve from Sacto is correct and you missed the point, again. The stories you heard last night at the DNC were exactly about folks who were not shackeled by the gov but in the case of many; assisted by the gov, vis, student loans, grants, affirm action etc………

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  11. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 September, 2012, 13:53

    Teddy this is the no spin zone.

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  12. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 5 September, 2012, 14:02

    Poodle (I mean Zero) — This is the 0 for 9 ™ zone little buddy!

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  13. Paul
    Paul 5 September, 2012, 15:09

    Welcome to the EU-California or EU-America where you will be taxed to death for being an Californian or American citizen while illegal aliens (freeloaders) pay very little or nothing to live in our state or country. Liberal lunacy….Plain and simple go figure???????

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  14. Paul
    Paul 5 September, 2012, 15:18

    I think as an American our Obama socialist government along with all the democrats have a different path for the rest of us to follow, not the one I believe in nor do I want. Just look at what is going on behind close doors in Washington. I just don’t know what the difference is between what Governor Rod Blagojevich did and what the present administration is doing by buying votes, which is bribery. This current socialist administration is double-dealing, lying, being two faced and being the most corrupted administration in American history! I really wonder what they are really up to? Like selling us all out! I do not trust this socialist administration for nothing, for they scare the hell out of me. Just a few questions I would like answered. Where is the transparency on health care? Where is the truth? Where is the bipartisanship? This is a double standard administration of lying to our faces and thinking we are all stupid and should believe them. Well I don’t. There is only one thing wrong here and that is our current administration is very flawed. We the people of America need to take back control of our country or we will have the United Nations running our country and our lives. So therefore we all need to stand together and fight the fight of freedom and vote out the incumbent leaders or impeach them in this current socialist administration from the federal, state, and local levels.

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  15. Fedup with both sides
    Fedup with both sides 5 September, 2012, 15:20

    If you din’t pay into it…you don’t get anything out of it…this state should be like a bank account….first prove that you are legal and than no deposits, no withdrawals..the fact that illegals are accounting for approx. 13.7 billion dollars a year from our budget in the form of entitlement programs on many different levels and our state budget deficit is half of that….how can ANYONE justify closing state parks, limiting or shutting down programs for the LEGAL parents and children, eliminating the programs like economic development, closing down fire stations and laying off police officers, teachers and support personnel just so we can continue to Budget the programs to keep ILLEGALS not only in this country but healthy, fed and educated beyond what we do for our own CITIZENS… wake up people…we all would like to help the world…but our lawyers and fulltime politicians that we sent to Sacramento and Washington did such a great job of selling us out and budgeting to appease the people that were writing the other checks they received besides the one from the tax payer who they were supposed to be representing…that we can’t afford to help ANYONE but ourselves…if you can’t see that, you must be in a very deep pool of denial…we sent lawyers and lifetime politicians to do the job of economists and accountants…thats almost as dumb as re-electing the likes of boxer, feinstein, pelosi, waters, brown and almost any republican you may want to name…the 7th largest economy in the world(california 8th now) is looking like a sinking ship…how many CITIES have filed bankruptcy already…how many will ? when will we say enough…the water is rising and the only people that should be in the boat at this time are the ones that PAID for it….and not just paying some state taxes but the ones that legally own it…thats just my opinion and I could be wrong…

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  16. Eva anderson
    Eva anderson 5 September, 2012, 15:51

    Why?? America is already in major debt!!!
    We can’t afford anymore expenses. I am an immigrant and live in San Diego!! With Obama, we will earn less revenue from raxes from this income bracket and will be paying more in social programs. The “rich” will no longer be “riich” because they are chocked by gov’t regulation!!

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  17. Paul
    Paul 5 September, 2012, 16:03

    Your right on the money fed up!!!!!!

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  18. Queeg
    Queeg 5 September, 2012, 16:06

    Globalists encourage immigrants to cross the border.

    Depress wages…all around.

    Still high retail prices…the fat margins coming from your wallets to greedy Globalists.

    Immigrant social and med costs and education costs paid by you too! Big time.

    Don’t you get it? Globalists are ripping you off and feed you talking points about free enterprise.

    Yep. Your to pay and pay and pay!

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  19. Paul
    Paul 5 September, 2012, 16:28

    Typical liberal fantasy land and liberal lunacy all juiced up on money they don’t have. (16,000,161,678,331 US national debt) (50,900 debt per citizen) (140,011 debt per taxpayer) (3,584,641,968,053 US federal spending) (1,210,126,939,577 US federal budget deficit)

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  20. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 September, 2012, 16:40

    Teddy, whne are you returning to your homeland 🙂

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  21. Jim
    Jim 5 September, 2012, 17:05

    So California govt can vote to supersede the laws whenever it benefits them to stay in power. Very screwed up. Govt for the govt. really do you honestly think they are doing it for we the us citizens. Hell n

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  22. The Scarlet Pimpernel
    The Scarlet Pimpernel 5 September, 2012, 17:06

    Last analysis I saw concluded that illegal immigrants EACH use on average $57,000 more in services than they pay in taxes. You want to explain to me where any of them is going to get the $250k/year job necessary to make up their individual tax deficits, so they can “pay to stay” ???

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  23. Freedom Lover
    Freedom Lover 5 September, 2012, 18:23

    Geesh – one is better off in this state if they’re an illegal! What happens to law-abiding people? Why SHOULD ANYONE obey ANY laws? The precedent is being set – do as you dang well please! IF you’re a legal citizen – you will pay fines and go to jail – if you’re an illegal – so what!

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  24. The Amazing Ted System
    The Amazing Ted System 5 September, 2012, 19:17

    lol ok—- here ya go….

    0 for 9 ™ !!!

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  25. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 5 September, 2012, 22:31

    Teddy-do you pick lettuce?? Work in the fields???

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  26. The Amazing Ted System
    The Amazing Ted System 6 September, 2012, 06:50

    I have, yes.

    0 for 9 baby! ™

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  27. Bill - San Jose
    Bill - San Jose 6 September, 2012, 07:31

    “Last night the First Lady nailed it: “When you’ve worked hard, and done well, and walked through that doorway of opportunity…you do not slam it shut behind you…you reach back, and you give other folks the same chances that helped you succeed.”

    This is the tripe we are supposed to believe is what made America great?

    Feel good is just that. The reality is that I owe no one a stinking dime or time due to any successes I bring to myself. It is something you must do on your own in your own way. No government should decide how to parcel out my hard work to others less inclined to work as hard as I did to accomplish success.

    Communists are funnah.

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  28. Rex the Wonder Dog!
    Rex the Wonder Dog! 6 September, 2012, 09:05

    Gov employees are slamming that door shut on everyone…I had to laugh at Clintons’ spech where he said cops, ff’s and teachers were UNDERPAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OMG what planet is he living on????

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  29. Edward Steele, Chief Investigator
    Edward Steele, Chief Investigator 6 September, 2012, 09:11

    Clinton nailed it last night!

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  30. Sean Morham
    Sean Morham 6 September, 2012, 13:40

    The terror of 2014 will cleanse California. Chomp. chomp Craniums bouncing on the capital steps.

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  31. Queeg
    Queeg 6 September, 2012, 19:17

    What the-

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  32. matt valentine
    matt valentine 9 September, 2012, 14:43

    would like updates sent to my email..

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  33. Movingoutofca
    Movingoutofca 15 January, 2013, 10:01

    Fitst.. The first lady statement… Should apply to her husbands own family living here in this country off our govt. and his half brother in Kenya! Maybe they should help them through the door!

    I have paid high taxes for over 20 years in this state! Now I am returning to school. I don’t get priority registration… I can’t even get the classes I need… Went and audited classes… I’m sure many illegal’s are there taking MY SPOT AS A LEGAL resident. On top of that I PAY FULL TUITION! This is BS!! I was also hit by an illegal. The cop didn’t even write her a ticket! And MY INS. Paid. Raising my cost of ins!!! It’s ridiculous!

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