Debra Bowen revelations appear to explain her failure on job

Debra Bowen revelations appear to explain her failure on job

SoS_BowenSaturday’s Los Angeles Times’ bombshell about Secretary of State Debra Bowen’s struggles with depression struck a sad chord with many people who have struggled with mental illness or had a family member with such problems.

Two months before Californians go to the polls to choose a governor, the state’s top elections official tearfully acknowledged Friday that she has been consumed by a “debilitating” depression that has often kept her away from the office.

Secretary of State Debra Bowen, who oversees statewide voting, told The Times that she has a history of depression and has moved out of the two-story country home she owns with her husband. She now resides in a trailer park on the outskirts of Sacramento. …

The secretary said she is receiving professional help, is comforted by support from friends and has not been hospitalized. She described her new living accommodations as a refuge, characterizing the mobile home park as one containing “extended-stay cottages.” …

Her trailer at Arden Acres has cracked windowsills, and some windows have cardboard behind the glass to block the sun. Behind it is a storage yard with a giant, rusting shipping container pressed against the other side of the fence. On Thursday, her state-issued Buick was parked outside, the back seats and front passenger seat full of cardboard boxes brimming with clothing and household goods.

Problems festered, never got solved

This may fully or partly explain her utter diffidence as secretary of state over the past seven and a half years. As the LAT story noted …

She has been criticized periodically for being distracted on the job, most recently during her 2010 reelection campaign. Republican challenger Damon Dunn noted then that the time it took her office to process business filings had more than tripled. (Bowen said a backlog was due to budget cuts.)

In addition, a project that now allows online voter registration was four years behind schedule. Bowen had said it takes time to find the right contractor.

Open-government advocates bashed her for failing to upgrade California’s online campaign finance reporting system, which is antiquated and unwieldy.

‘Embarrassing shortcomings and backlogs’

Her years of disinterest in trying to minimize business paperwork delays produced a harsh rebuke from the Sac Bee edit page in March 2013:

If Texas can process an application to form a limited liability company in five days, even less if the registration application is filed online, why does it take California six weeks? In California, home to Silicon Valley, the most sophisticated collection of high-tech companies in the world, why can’t the state process business filings online?

Why does a business owner in Los Angeles have to deliver papers to the secretary of state’s office in Sacramento to get expedited over-the-counter service? Why doesn’t the secretary of state have counter service in Los Angeles or Fresno or San Francisco?

California Secretary of State Debra Bowen blames state budget cuts for the many embarrassing shortcomings and backlogs in her office. Lack of money should not have been a problem. After all, the business portal side of Bowen’s office – the place where entrepreneurs seeking to form corporations or limited liability companies or partnerships file their paperwork – is entirely fee-based. It’s supposed to be self-supporting. The businesses pay for the cost of the operation.

In fact, California charges among the highest fees of any state in the nation for what appears to be perhaps the worst service, as a limited survey by The Bee’s Jon Ortiz suggests.

I sure didn’t see this coming. In 2006, I voted for Bowen over appointed Republican Secretary of State Bruce McPherson after being put off by McPherson’s hauteur and arrogance in an interview.

Mature, persistent leadership during energy crisis

It wasn’t just McPherson’s manner. I also was impressed by Bowen’s persistence, patience and maturity during the state’s bizarre 2000-01 energy crisis, the fiasco that so damaged then-Gov. Gray Davis that it paved the way for his 2003 recall. Bowen, a Redondo Beach Democrat, was chair of the state Senate’s Energy, Utilities and Communications Committee. In early 2000, after hearings by her committee, she warned that California’s faux energy dergulation bill of 1996 was going haywire.

But Davis was more interested in posturing and blaming utilities and power suppliers than acting decisively to address both soaring energy costs and supply limits that produced regional blackouts. He was such a dithering dolt that in December 2000, 75-year-old former Secretary of State Warren Christopher — an Edison board member — harangued him at a private meeting about needing to figure out the basics of public leadership.

Bowen played an important role in the cleanup, especially when she resisted attempts to rush through a flawed fix. As she noted, it was the rush to pass the faux deregulation bill in 1996 that created the mess.

I wasn’t just observing from afar. I was then a government and politics reporter for The Orange County Register, which sent me to Sacramento in late January and early Februrary 2001 to bolster our coverage as the crisis crested. In a Capitol dominated by a dilettante (Davis) and a wack job (Senate President John Burton), Bowen stood out.

Based on her performance in the Legislature, I never expected her to disappear after she got a promotion. But that’s pretty much what happened.

Missing-person report: SOS for the SoS

pete.petersonIn May, when I met Pete Peterson, the brainy, impressive GOP reformer who hopes to succeed Bowen in November’s election, I told him how surprised I was that Bowen was such a fiasco in statewide office. I said someone should file a missing person report for the secretary of state.

Peterson laughed, and so did I. But I wouldn’t tell such a joke now. I hope Bowen gets the help she needs — and that California finally gets the great secretary of state that it needs and deserves.

Peterson could be that good. He’s already won a long list of endorsements from newspapers left and right. Don’t hold the LAT’s applause against him.


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  1. Donkey
    Donkey 7 September, 2014, 10:11

    California is full of people with mental disorders living in the streets, and in every capacity of government, but if you make it to the RAGWUS gravy train the idea of producing, showing up, and performing are not required. A quick, or long look at education, prisons, politicians, lets all those that still hold on to their logic and reason skills that the idea of government helping only relates to those currently feeding at the RAGWUS trough. If you happen to be homeless the police can either shoot you or mutilate your face until you die. 🙂

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  2. DavidfromLosGatos
    DavidfromLosGatos 7 September, 2014, 10:44

    “her state-issued Buick” ….

    Says it all.

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  3. Bob Morris
    Bob Morris 7 September, 2014, 11:32

    In Utah, you can apply for an LLC online and virtually always get approval within 24 hours…

    I lived in Venice CA when Bowen, a progressive environmental lawyer, ran for her first state office in the State Assembly and won. She’s a likable person. This news about her is just sad.

    However, there needs to be a way to remove state office holders who clearly are not capable of functioning at the level require by their position.

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  4. Richard Rider
    Richard Rider 7 September, 2014, 12:05

    What’s fascinating is that this story took so long to reach “print.” This office has been essentially vacant for many months — apparently YEARS — and yet no one in the media noticed — in spite of the alarm bells.

    The other aspect I find outrageous is that the Secretary of State’s office has lurched on as a brain-dead bureaucracy. Apparently the rest of senior management just let things get worse and worse — with not the slightest interest in doing their job. Probably their number one concern was covering up for their incapacitated boss. It’s THEY that should be summarily fired.

    They won’t be, of course. As government zombies, they will stagger along until retirement, and then draw their generous six figure pensions “for a job well done.” Gag.

    My apologies to zombies everywhere for the insulting remarks.

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    • Ken
      Ken 8 September, 2014, 02:10

      Do not apologize. You are right on target. The state bureaucracy has insulated itself from the population in a gilded cocoon, with those at the top functioning like medieval princelings, when most of them are little more than hapless louts. The deep negative here is that the average “campesino” (we used to be called citizens) in California is so damn stupid there is no outcry. All the more reason why our brain dead governor, who knows better, and was raised much better, has betrayed his upbringing and good education and is selling out to Mexico at every juncture, like a total sap. California government is not about/for Californians anymore, it is all about what “arms out, palms up” special interest group, usually illegally here, mostly latino, Sacto might support with our dollars to get some kind of political advantage from it. They sell us out, they stay in office. The issue of how do illegal aliens vote will be left for another day. It is a real rancid stink we have coming from Sacto. It is arguably the grandest stink that has ever wafted through our once pristine California skies. If there is a handful of bureaucrats in Sacto living up to his/her oath I would be shocked. No one is responsible for anything. No one answers the phones. California is broken and becoming more like Nogales everyday, with equally corrupted “officials.”

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      • Richard Rider
        Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 07:34

        Good comment, Ken. But I stand by my apology — to zombies.

        To equate these decaying, dead souls to government drones making 6-figure incomes is indeed an insult to innocent zombies everywhere!

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    • Holly Lamb
      Holly Lamb 8 September, 2014, 16:01

      You said it Richard thank you for apologizing to the Zombies out there. This kind of outrage is just one of the bonuses of living in California. Bonuses like No Water for Crops but water for non-native bait fish, Highest State Income Tax rate, one of the highest gas taxes, Cost of living 3 and 4 times higher than other parts of the nation, Legislators who are exempt from their own laws, a Governor who says California is the New Mexico, Where everyone has a right but no one has a responsibility, where you can gamble and buy cigarettes with your welfare debit card, where you have to earn $98K a year to buy an average 3 bedroom 2 bath house with tiny speck of land, there is a .75 cent fee for buying paint and every bottle or can costs an additional .5 or .10 cents as fee for returning the container but there are no convenient stations to take them to get that money back. My next endeavor is going to create a document of all the ways California is not family or working person friendly.

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  5. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 7 September, 2014, 14:31

    I suspect there is much more to the story here than what meets the eye. Those with insider access should investigate and report all the facts to the public. What’s really going on here? Money problems? Family problems? Marriage problems? Drug or alcohol problems? Bowden runs a vital public agency that controls our electoral system. The public should have a right to know what’s been going on here. This would be like a plane flying at 30,000 feet with no pilot in the cockpit. Unacceptable.

    Depression is a common and very treatable illness. Why has this been going on for months or years? Bowden runs a critical public agency. If she cannot handle the stressors of the job she should have resigned a long time ago. Her absences would have never been intolerable in a high-level private executive job. Could you imagine a CEO at a large private company missing in action for months or years? lol. But, as usual, in government no one is held accountable for their actions or inactions.

    How was this covered up for so long? SHAME on the media!!!!

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  6. Belinda
    Belinda 7 September, 2014, 20:04

    She’s had chronic fatigue, was an alcoholic, was hooked on pain meds, and is now suffering from depression. She needs to resign and get help. Why is she still pretending to do her job? Why have reporters been so reluctant to notice that she wasn’t actually doing the work?

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 8 September, 2014, 09:23

      “Why have reporters been so reluctant to notice that she wasn’t actually doing the work?”

      Simple. The US mainstream media is just another arm of the government. Even some of the blogs have moved in that direction. Pravdaesque. If you haven’t figured that out by now you must have been asleep.

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  7. SoCalSteve
    SoCalSteve 8 September, 2014, 10:41

    “She’s had chronic fatigue, was an alcoholic, was hooked on pain meds, and is now suffering from depression.”

    I’m appalled by the complete lack of any sympathy for her as a human being. Not even the slightest hint of appreciation for her trying to work through all this and do her job.

    Oh, pardon me, I keep forgetting that if someone is a public servant, they no longer qualify as a human being.

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 17:21

      I’m AM sympathic to Bowen, though I think she should have made the decent decision to resign long ago.

      My concern is with people like YOU Steve, who have no concern about the people (mis)served by the office, or the rank incompetence of her underlings who just rode the gravy train into retirement, doing nothing in her absence.

      For YOU “public servants” (I LOVE that slimy claim of servitude) who don’t give a damn about anyone else, I have nothing but disdain. Thanks for once again demonstrating why.

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      • bob
        bob 8 September, 2014, 20:30

        I dunno, Richard. If the legislature and Brownie were so depressed that they lived out of cardboard boxes in trailer parks and didn’t show up to work half the time and ended up passing half the legislation they’ve passed would we be worse off?

        Heck no, we’d be much better off.

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        • Richard Rider
          Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 20:41

          Good point, but I’d still be sympathetic. And relieved.

          I’ve always made the case that we’d be better off paying our politicians and most of our government bureaucrats to go on permanent vacation. On balance, the state would flourish.

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      • SoCalSteve
        SoCalSteve 9 September, 2014, 17:29

        Bad enough you lie (again) about me. I am not now and have never been a government employee.

        But you go on to smear a whole group of dedicated people who work hard, support their families, pay taxes, go to church, contribute to charity, and do all the other good things Americans are supposed to do. Their only “sin” is serving the public as government employees.

        People who lie and smear others are the ones who are worthy of disdain. You can disagree with someone without hating or insulting or disrespecting him or her. You ought to try it sometime, Richard. It really works.

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    • Donkey
      Donkey 8 September, 2014, 18:14

      SoCalSteve you are as phony as the economic recovery. You have no sympathy for the children being run through California’s worthless school system, the men and women being destroyed by the worthless prison system, and you are devoid of empathy for all the non-RAGWUS citizens paying for your greed. 🙂

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      • Richard Rider
        Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 18:52

        All true, Donkey, but aside for the foibles you properly ascribe to Steve, he’s a great guy! Just ask his union boss!

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        • SoCalSteve
          SoCalSteve 9 September, 2014, 17:30

          Another LIE, Richard. I have no union boss. But keep on using lies to make your case. It just shows your true worth.

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    • AngryAwakenedAmerican
      AngryAwakenedAmerican 9 September, 2014, 02:18

      I do not understand the contradiction of an argument that you have chosen to participate in.

      Your being appalled by your perceived lack of sympathy shown to a public servant unable to serve the public because of something beyond her control is a HUGE contradiction.

      You should be appalled at your overt lack of sympathy to all affected by your inability to comprehend you walking in circles and complaining.

      She should have sought help. But maybe her illness is a symptom of what prevented her from being able to the job in the first place. In other words how can someone help others who cannot help themselves in the first place.

      This could lead someone to alcohol and prescription drug abuse which could cause the depression in the first place.

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  8. Bill Gore
    Bill Gore 8 September, 2014, 14:47

    More to the point, concerning the time it takes to form an LLC in Cali, why does California make me pay $800/year for the debatable PRIVILEDGE of having a California LLC?

    Why is the state department of revenue officially called the “BOARD OF EQUALIZATION”? Equalization-really?

    Why was my California tax return like a freaking phone book?

    I feel for this woman’s pain: I can’t imagine an existence more soul-deadening, pointless and spirit crushing under the hideous ennui of staring at the clock for 30 years, than working in a California state government office….

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  9. fletch92131
    fletch92131 8 September, 2014, 16:07

    I think that California needs to outsource more functions to private industry. Here’s my blog on the subject,

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 18:10

      You’re singing my song, Fletch. And in my neighborhood!

      Contract out every possible government service. In addition to better service, lower cost and the ability to dump substandard performers, it would gut the public employee labor unions that have a death grip on our state.

      I’ll email you shortly.

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 20:38

      OOPS, your blog email doesn’t work. You can find me by Googling my name.

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  10. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 8 September, 2014, 20:38

    I log on to the CA Secy of State website every day. All looks in order to me and I see the information I am looking for–the status of all proposed initiatives. There are many people in this world who have depression and still do their jobs. I have seen this women speak in public, and she is a powerful speaker. I feel for anyone who suffers depression, and I really doubt that she is not getting the job done.

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    • Donkey
      Donkey 9 September, 2014, 07:27

      SeeSaw, as a RAGWUS feeder the state can do no wrong as long as that pension check comes every month. No one expects you to be critical of the state as long as you are being rewarded with others people hard earned money. This is how the Romans kept citizens in control, by buying off the feeders, then giving the rest bread and circuses. You have been bought off my love! 🙂

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  11. Richard Rider
    Richard Rider 8 September, 2014, 20:43

    Yeah, I guess the LA TIMES just made the story up. Everything is fine at the Secretary of State’s office. Move along, move along.

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  12. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 09:05

    Donkey, I am surprised that this publication or any other publication, for that matter, continues to post your hate-rants against all public employees. We are not a bad class of people–I don’t recommend judging others until you have gotten to know them. There is no such word as RAGWUS–we all know that, and this publication should be ashamed for letting you get away with this as long as you have. My money was hard earned–not just given to me. You need therapy–seek it out and perhaps then you can respect yourself.

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 9 September, 2014, 09:37

      Seesaw, you may have indeed worked hard (many public employees do). Or you may have not worked much at all.

      Either way, your job security is rock solid (barring criminal misconduct), and your paycheck is the same as everyone else in your status — performance is not a factor.

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  13. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 9 September, 2014, 09:13


    You expect too much. Negative people never change.

    You’re a good person doing the right things in your happy life…..

    Appreciate your fair and balanced input.

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  14. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 11:55

    RR, of course performance is not a factor, once retirement has commenced. It is certainly a factor during the job tenure, just like any other job, public or private. Get over yourself!

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    • LetitCollapse
      LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 12:22

      Ah baloney, seesaw.

      The article by The Times blows holes in your argument. Even the Secretary of State can be MIA for months or years and get away with it. If she can do it I can only imagine what happens in a typical government office that has virtually zero oversight by the media.

      Government employment is a joke. A farce. The incompetence, laziness and lack of discipline in government work is widely known. It is a direct result of job protections and security in the public sector, which rewards incompetence and laziness. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. Do you think that government is a secret society and we do not know what goes on inside those government buildings??? lol. Some of us have close relatives who work in government or we have worked in government ourselves, Seesaw. We know how the system works. Stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes. You only hurt your own credibility by doing so.

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 9 September, 2014, 12:59

      Pretend all you want Ulysses. Government tenured workers get paid (and pensioned) based on formulas — not performance. VERY few lose their jobs (a.k.a. fired). Even people who stay home and don’t show up to work for weeks or months at a time (Debra Bowen).

      You make the amazing claim that “[Job performance] is certainly a factor during the [government] job tenure, just like any other job, public or private.” Uh huh. And you pretend you are in the private sector. Your dishonesty is breathtaking.

      Get over yourself yourself!

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  15. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 13:10

    What are those little green things I see flying around your head, LIC?

    As for you RR, who is pretending anything? Of course I am not in the private sector, because I am now retired. I did also work in the private sector, as well as the public sector, and there is no pretending necessary. To accuse me of dishonesty certainly puts a highlight on your character doesn’t it!

    As for those who must work for a living–“A Worker is a Worker, is a Worker…..”
    I don’t include writers like RR, who are so full of hatrid for the public sector, they must be constipated, in that category.

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 9 September, 2014, 14:28

      Oh you ARE dishonest, SeeSaw — to claim that government work and pensions and job security works just like the private sector. Obviously you have no idea — well if you were HONEST, that would be the assumption, but clearly you are not stooopid. Hence you are just dishonest.

      That being said, I confused you with UHaul (note the reference in my comment). You have NOT claimed you are in the private sector. I guess not claiming that is as close to honest as you’ll ever get!

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      • SoCalSteve
        SoCalSteve 9 September, 2014, 17:33

        You who lie about me and those who disagree with you with regularity have the gall to accuse others of being dishonest? Hahahahahahaha!

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  16. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 14:06

    At my class reunions I noticed that the ones who ditched class or perpetually showed up late went into government work. The same ones who relied upon the others in the group to pull their load during group projects. The same ones who sat in the back of the class and joked during the instruction. The same ones who used Cliff Notes to ‘get by’ on their reading assignments. The same ones who were ingenius at designing cheat notes to pass their tests. The same ones who scored 700 or less on their combined math and verbal SATs. It was no surprise to learn that 90% of them work for the government. Like a duck takes to water. Some things never change.

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  17. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 16:39

    RR, you are still calling me dishonest for no reason whatsoever. I spent my adult life working at a job, like so many people do. What is dishonest about that! I have worked in both private industry and the public sector. The only difference between the two is that the latter comes with more benefits–thankfully. I never set out in the beginning to get a public sector job–I had stopped working to raise children and set out again ten years later, to help sustain my family. I found a part-time job paying $1.85/hr. It was in the public sector. Big whoopee! There was no SS and no CalPERS in existence where I began my public sector job and those things were far from my mind, as they are with most people who are just trying to earn a living. If you are going to keep calling me dishonest, you need something to back up your hate rant which is aimed at anyone who provides services to the public, which you need unless you want to move to the wilds of Alaska–that would probably be a good place for you.

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    • Richard Rider
      Richard Rider 9 September, 2014, 17:43

      Anyone who has experience in both public and private jobs who asserts that the two are the same is dishonest. You assert that. Ergo, you are dishonest. QED.

      Yes, decades ago, government jobs WERE low paying, but made up for it with job security and modest work requirements. In the last 15 years or more the low pay has gone away, while the benefits and job security have gotten better and better for the government employees. For you to pretend that government jobs are the same as private jobs is, well, DISHONEST.

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  18. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 16:41

    LIC, those green things flying around your head are getting more numerous. I bet you were the life of the party at your class reunions!

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  19. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 17:53

    I sense that you feel an obligation to support and protect the government since you made your living by working for it, seesaw. In a way that’s admirable since it shows your loyalty. But loyalty to an extreme becomes more a vice than a virtue. It’s sort of like a family member who makes excuses for or protects a substance abuser or gangmember who lives in the same household. Nothing good comes from it. It enables the problem child to continue an errant lifestyle and his problems only get bigger.

    You would do our society good by being more critical of government and relating the foibles and weaknesses that you witnessed during your decades of public service. No doubt you hold a lot back. I bet you have some very entertaining stories. No way could you serve decades in a government job and not be aware of the incompetence, laziness and apathy on part of the management and workers. Maybe one day you will muster up the courage to cut the ties that bind and tell us.

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  20. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 18:27

    Take me for instance, seesaw. I am a veteran and served in the US Army. I criticize Army operations all the time. Not out of spite. Only to help improve our military and make it a more attractive option for those who wish to serve our society. I could go on for hours about all the innane things I saw during my brief enlistment. It was like a comedy of errors. Things that would never happen in the private sector without heads rolling. I discovered that public sector and private sector operations is like comparing night and day. It would be silly for me to come out of that experience with a rah rah go Army attitude. If you worked in government for 20 odd years I can only imagine what you’re eyes must have seen! lol.

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  21. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 19:04

    LIC, you seem to be under the assumption that it is your duty to judge everything and everyone in the country, especially the public-sector, to your own standards. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that you are on limited time? And you want to spend what limited time you have griping and moaning and complaining about everything around you? I spent much more than 20 years in a public sector job and I left feeling great satisfaction and pride about what I had done to help myself and those in the community around me. I saw life, and I have been able to live it in the greatest country in the world! Go drip a few more tears into your beer! And don’t forget the cheese.

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  22. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 21:49

    You settle for mediocrity, seesaw. You were indoctrinated with mediocrity for decades in your government job. And through your comments I can see that it’s become an integral part of your attitude. In fact, in government one is trained to be mediocre. Because if you work too hard you make your colleagues look lazy. That is a cardinal sin in government. There is a great deal of social pressure to perform average. That’s the reason you never see any hard chargers in government. They are conditioned to slow down. Your paycheck is the same whether you work hard or move like a sloth. So why excel? You don’t get promoted for working hard. You get promoted for being a good smoozer and butt kisser in government. And you can’t get fired for being lazy. And the government will never go out of business if you’re unproductive. So workplace punishment or termination is rare. Get my point? You know it’s true, seesaw. I’ve been there. I’ve witnessed it with my own eyes.

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  23. SeeSaw
    SeeSaw 9 September, 2014, 22:51

    There you go again, telling whoppers. You couldn’t get a job in the public sector–that’s why those little green monsters are surrounding you head.

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  24. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 23:02

    seesaw, it’s no coincidence that the old saying “It’s good enough for government work” has been with us since the days of WW2 and is still a popular and frequently used adage today.

    There’s a reason certain sayings don’t go away, seesaw. They represent truth.

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  25. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 9 September, 2014, 23:11

    You didn’t read or comprehend my previous comment, seesaw.

    I was in the public sector. I lived it. I saw the mediocrity with my own eyes. And I have also worked in the private sector, giving me a standard of comparison. It was like the difference between night and day. About 40% of the people I worked with in the public sector would have been fired in their first year in the private sector. They wouldn’t have made it through their probationary period.

    This is the reason people have little respect for public sector workers. By enabling them you are perpetuating a failed system.

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    • SeeSaw
      SeeSaw 10 September, 2014, 10:39

      I suspect that you were the mediocre one, LIC. If you had been doing your job, you would not have had time to rag on those around you.

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      • LetitCollapse
        LetitCollapse 10 September, 2014, 22:40

        And what did you accomplish of significance in your 20+ year career with the government, seesaw? lol. IOW’s, if your gov job never existed would the State be any worse off? Did anyone (other than you) really benefit from whatever slot you filled in the bureaucracy? My guess is “no”. Half the gov jobs in the country could be discarded and the citizens wouldn’t know the difference. lol. I find your pride in government work amusing. 🙂

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  26. Donkey
    Donkey 10 September, 2014, 07:39

    LIC, SeeSaw brings in over $90,000 a year from her RAGWUS pension, is it any wonder she is so prideful serving the public good and hard. Is it any wonder she wants tax increases on everything in the private sector.

    Every RAGWUS feeder is underworked and overpaid when compared with the private sector, and every pension received by a feeder should never exceed the average family income of the state in which they reside. 🙂

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    • SeeSaw
      SeeSaw 10 September, 2014, 10:33

      I sure wish that were true Donkey. My CalPERS pension only supplies half of our gross income. I do have a spouse with SS and a very tiny DB pension. I have the proceeds from my government 457 DC plan so that I can buy our groceries and pay the utility bills. Yes, I saved and saved while I was working. I am your standard lower, middle-class citizen. I cannot afford to live at the beach like you do. My private-sector counterpart was paid a lot more than I was–I was not born yesterday Donkey and LIC. The only difference between you and me is that I do not hate other people on the basis of what they lawfully did for a living. I am a private sector citizen at this time–retired from the public sector a long time ago. I am willing to pay tax increases that are necessary. You should be living in some of these third-world countries–it would serve you right.

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      • Richard Rider
        Richard Rider 12 September, 2014, 08:32

        Seesaw — You touched in a critical point when in discussing your supposedly modest pension you admit that you “retired a long time ago.” A long time ago, California state and local government salaries and pensions were not nearly as generous as they are today. And it’s TODAY’s pensions (and tomorrow’s) that are at issue.

        Two other problems with your post:

        1. You are anonymous, yet you post your SUPPOSED experience as the the typical government employee. Those of us on the other side try to use cited facts from studies. Frankly, we have no reason to trust such anonymous posting.

        2. We don’t know of you worked 10, 20, 30 or more years to get your pension. The amount of the pension varies dramatically with longevity (as if you didn’t know that). And no, posting some arbitrary number of years as “your experience” simply is not credible.

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    • SeeSaw
      SeeSaw 10 September, 2014, 10:47

      So says the real capitalist who travels the world! As long as you are sustainable, Donkey, you would prefer that those who served you are all socialists.

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  27. Ulysses Uhaul
    Ulysses Uhaul 10 September, 2014, 09:01

    Saw is a good hard working employee. She has skills. She is productive. She deserves the pension agreed to as part of her employment package.

    Why do you chubby, greedy doomers pick on someone doing the right things as a productive, caring member of society.

    Shame on you old trolls!

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  28. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 10 September, 2014, 11:25

    It’s only legal because the thugs who made it so are also lined up at the public trough. It’s certainly immoral, as it is destroying the future of our children and the generations to come. My parent’s generation sacrificed to make the lives of the younger generations (mine) better than their own. And they succeeded. They wanted US to live better than THEY did!

    And now my generation has grown up and it is the most selfish generation in the history of the nation, not giving a damn about the house of cards that they’re building for the young people. That is so repulsive. So selfish. So immoral. They are piling debt upon the young people that they will NEVER be able to survive. I apologize to young people routinely for what my generation has done to them and is doing to them. I see them graduate from college with worthless degrees holding $50,000 in student debt (non- dischargeable in bankrupcy court) at the age of 23. We’ve turned them into debt slaves. Most will not be able to find jobs paying more than $15/hr. How can they possibly afford to live in California and expect to lead normal lives? And then with the pension debt hanging over their heads their taxes will continue to soar. As we’ve seen, the government will have to steal their scholarship funds to pay the massive public pensions.

    God help this nation. Even animals treat their young with more respect!!! 🙁

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  29. Ocsays
    Ocsays 10 September, 2014, 11:25

    Donkey, I’m ashamed of you! After following the easily recognizable crazy rantings of LetitCollapse, you have not given homage to your old homeboy, aka “ocobserver”. He recently ran from the Voice of OC, after they insisted he divulge his identity, which he had masked as “Beelzebub”. I think I rather liked “JustUs” that he cleverly used on the now defunct FriendsForFullertonsFuture blog. It’s always only a matter of time, before he mentions his phony military service, which he fails to prove, however he will always insist others prove their own “personal anecdote” (as he likes to call them). And for as he also likes to say, “I can read you like a dog eared paperback”(that’s for you, ocobserver, or whatever your name is today).

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  30. LetitCollapse
    LetitCollapse 10 September, 2014, 12:14

    Ocsays, have you ever accused those close to you of being out to get you? Has ISIS infiltrated your neighborhood? Do you suspect that your phone is being tapped by ‘the enemy’? Do you intercept electromagnetic rays that contain hostile pension reform secrets with or without an aluminum foil hat? Do Tea Party operatives disguised as door to door salesmen ever visit your home? If any of these ring a bell consider seeking help.

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  31. Ocsays
    Ocsays 11 September, 2014, 11:16

    LetitCollapse, touché old man! You haven’t lost your cynical style. If you remember, I’ve always admired your fond resemblance of my favorite character “The Scarecrow” from the Wizard of Oz. You know the rest.

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